Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[Patrick S]

would the ripper risk his fate on the judgement of a drunk prostitute? Or he would he pick the perfect spot, stalk the spot closely and watch what prostitutes use it or business...then when the chance is right...approach the woman and have her bring him to the spot he's actually chosen

Dear, God. The superhuman, all-seeing, all-knowing, genius Ripper. My favorite.

[mickreed]

Carol Mayne (see here http://www.dnaevidence.com.au/Carol%...e%20-%20CV.pdf)

Is reported as saying:

DNA evidence has solved many crimes, and exposed so many wrongful convictions it has changed the debate on capital punishment. Nevertheless, it is not perfect; forensic consultant Dr Carol Mayne says the letters should stand for Do Not Assume because “It is not as infallible as people think”, even from far fresher samples and where the match is to the suspect, not a remote decedent.

http://www.iflscience.com/technology/has-dna-solved-ripper-mystery

A precaution well worth remembering.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Hi Sir John,

Take Hanbury Street as an example. Very near an early morning market, directly opposite it in fact, and the hallway apparently often used by homeless people to doss in. The chances of someone being in the hallway or in the street outside, a not insignificant East/West route, were very high. And the yard was a rat trap. Only one way out. If someone had come to the yard door while Jack was mid-rip, the game would have been up.

Assuming Jack picked up Chapman in a major thoroughfare such as Commercial Street, was 29, Hanbury Street the best spot on offer? Or just one that Annie was used to using ?

MrB

This post should be on the thread How Well Did Jack Know The East End.

as I understand it, after the Nichols murder, the streets became much more quiet for a while in the late night.
I think Chapman was approached differently than Nichols, whom he might have followed for a while, and just attacked her. With Chapman, he probably approached her as a customer and let her choose the place where they won't be disturbed.

I'm currently looking at how the victims were treated. I think Chapman, Eddowes, Kelly were lured (and Tabram, if you believe she's a JtR's victim), while Nichols and Stride were attacked directly.

This said, I'm not certain it is possible for a unique suspect to act that differently.

Anyway, I apologize, these questions must have been debated a thousand times already.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Well, to be fair he does have some evidence -- he's just greatly overstated how conclusive it is. Poor scholarship is not a good thing, but it doesn't necessarily rise to the level of fraud.

"new potential data about Jack The Ripper" doesn't give you a book deal either.

Did he self published?

[MrBarnett]

I don't understand. I all happened within one square mile. If you believe JtR was of the area, it's not a stretch.

Hi Sir John,

Take Hanbury Street as an example. Very near an early morning market, directly opposite it in fact, and the hallway apparently often used by homeless people to doss in. The chances of someone being in the hallway or in the street outside, a not insignificant East/West route, were very high. And the yard was a rat trap. Only one way out. If someone had come to the yard door while Jack was mid-rip, the game would have been up.

Assuming Jack picked up Chapman in a major thoroughfare such as Commercial Street, was 29, Hanbury Street the best spot on offer? Or just one that Annie was used to using ?

MrB

This post should be on the thread How Well Did Jack Know The East End.

[mickreed]

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[wolfie1]

Hello Jason. Thanks.

Prefer his distance Russian cousin's book:

"Diary of the Angriest Man in all Russia" by I M Pistov.

Cheers.
LC

[wolfie1]

I may be wrong, but stole and wrap have a bit of a transatlantic twang to me.

But surely it's classification, and even it's original purpose, are not particularly important.

All I would like to know is, was it in existence in 1888 and how good is the DNA match to Eddowes and Kos ?

I don't believe for a minute it was taken by Amos Simpson, with permission , from Mitre Square.

MrB

Google Georgian portraits and a Stole/Wrap is often draped across a ladies person, either slung over one arm with the end over a chair arm, with the back of the wrap falling loosely at the rear. Does this not demonstrate that the style of wrap , rectangular in shape, was in fashion even prior to Victorian times.
Dismissing the item in question due to its shape ,as it is not a triangular shawl, is a false assumption in my book. I make no firm judgments on the item in question as I am not an expert of dating material.
Simply commenting that the shape, was in fashion pre Victorian times.

[Peter Griffith aka gryff]

The NMR analysis determined that the dye was natural and made from woad (Asatis tinctoria).

The blue dye then would be indigo. Link

Natural indigo production in 1897 was 19,000 tons but declined to 1,000 tons by 1914.

The first synthesis of indigo was described by Adolf von Baeyer in 1878 (from isatin) and a second synthesis in 1880 (from 2-nitrobenzaldehyde). However, a "a commercially feasible manufacturing process" was not established until 1897.

So while the shawl could have been produced prior to the JTR murders, that natural dye was still being used in 1897 and since Link

cheers, gryff

[lynn cates]

book club

Hello Jason. Thanks.

Prefer his distance Russian cousin's book:

"Diary of the Angriest Man in all Russia" by I M Pistov.

Cheers.
LC

[pinkmoon]

Hello Jason. Thanks.

I read the sequel--"Revenge of the Black Cat."

Cheers.
LC

What about his early book writen under a puesdonoum it's a classic it's called rusty bed springs by I.p.nightly

[lynn cates]

novel idea

Hello Jason. Thanks.

I read the sequel--"Revenge of the Black Cat."

Cheers.
LC

[pinkmoon]

Sounds more like jack the rip off than jack the ripper to me.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Rocky,

I wonder how many secluded spots were used by prostitutes in the LVP East End. Hundreds at least, possibly thousands. Did Jack survey them all, stop watch and notebook in hand, before he launched his career?

Or did he just have a quick look in both directions before whipping out the knife?

The idea of a geographically omniscient Jack strikes me as the last vestige of Jack the Myth. We've got rid of the top hat and silk lined cape, why not ditch this nonsense?

MrB

I don't understand. I all happened within one square mile. If you believe JtR was of the area, it's not a stretch.

[MrBarnett]

In doing some online research, people that sell vintage shawls seem to refer to this type as a "long shawl" as opposed to the square-shaped shawls that are more common. Whether this is technically correct or not, I have no idea but it seems to be a common usage among "shawl people." I've seen it suggested by someone else here that it should be more properly referred to as a "stole" but I don't know if that's accurate either.

I may be wrong, but stole and wrap have a bit of a transatlantic twang to me.

But surely it's classification, and even it's original purpose, are not particularly important.

All I would like to know is, was it in existence in 1888 and how good is the DNA match to Eddowes and Kos ?

I don't believe for a minute it was taken by Amos Simpson, with permission , from Mitre Square.

MrB