Is Kosminski the man really viable?

[Phil Carter]

This is why we must seek to establish if we have actually been told the truth and not simply embarked upon a 124-year-old fool's errand.

Hello Simon,

After having considered this subject for, like you have, for over a third of that time, my conclusion is that the Polish Jew, the drowned man et al are patsies. Considerable research has shown that their candicacy as murderers, is without evidence of any sort.

The Home Office Files are almost complete..and this is one reason why I find the Kosminski candicacy (or the Druitt candicacy), poor.

The case was not solved in 1888/9, nor when the files were closed in 1896, nor at any time after, we are told. The official files themselves were totally confidential (until the 1970s, save a few private persons who gained permission to borrow the files and take them home for the weekend, and return them, etc) and they clearly show that the Police and the Home Office had no idea who Jack the Ripper was then, nor at any time since.

On the whole, the Home Office files, unlike the police ones, are fairly complete and show no sign of any special work indulged by any limited amount of people. (i.e. Anderson and Swanson being the only two in knowledge of what was happening and when). This is one fairly good reason as to why I have personally viewed the thought that a positive murderer id known only to Swanson and Anderson and no one else never occured. One can argue against the word conspiracy, but I will argue that by their very nature, is Anderson/Swanson theory is of that very same mould. All secret and hush hush? Why would the alleged ID of the Jewish suspect by a Jewish witness be considered to be so secret and known to so few? It wasn't going to cause riots because Jack the Ripper was a Jew! Or a Pole! Or a lunatic!
I mean...What could possibly be so secret or damaging to the reputation of the CID, the Police in general or the Government in identifying a Poor Polish Jew as 'Jack the Ripper'? It doesn't fit.

And lastly, can anyone name a another UNSOLVED murder case that has it's files closed for 100 years? I can understand some stuff being kept quiet because of National Security..but an unnamed killer of East End women on the borders of being the dregs of society?

That's why the Kosminski..or Druitt line falls down. Flat. It doesn't fit. Jigsaw puzzle pieces from another jigsaw being introduced as correct pieces.
They are wrong 'uns. Patsies.

best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

I wish I knew.

But I'll tell you one thing for certain.

The Whitechapel murders have not remained a closely-guarded state secret for almost 125 years because "Jack the Ripper" was either a low-class Polish Jew or an effete barrister/schoolteacher.

Regards,

Simon

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

But I'll tell you one thing for certain.

The Whitechapel murders have not remained a closely-guarded state secret for almost 125 years because "Jack the Ripper" was either a low-class Polish Jew or an effete barrister/schoolteacher.

Is this a serious statement or are you being sarcastic? JtR is a state secret??

[Simon Wood]

Hi Sir Robert,

How else might you categorize the Whitechapel murders?

Regards,

Simon

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Reserving an opinion on Swanson and the margin call, Andersons opinion must be considered as good as his historical integrity, which is to say, suspect.

On what basis do you propose to access Anderson's integrity? On the basis that if enough internet posters chant something it becomes true?

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Hi Sir Robert,

How else might you categorize the Whitechapel murders?

As unsolved murders Simon. Probably 5 unsolved murders committed by probably one person. Unsolved murders that we like to play armchair detective with as we've granted Jack iconic status.

Where and how do state secrets come into play?

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

It humours me that many here assume they know better than Anderson, Swanson et al. They do not.

What humors me is that many here presume they are better people than Anderson.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Sir Robert,

You seem to have reduced any criticism of Anderson to the baying of a mob. My goodness, next you'll be telling us to eat cake.

But no matter.

If they were simply five unsolved murders, kindly explain why various head honchos at Scotland Yard kept the Ripper pot boiling for the next twenty-five years, during which their "solutions" were many and various.

Why didn't they simply give a collective shrug and admit they were beat?

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

What humors me is that many here presume they are better people than Anderson.

Hello Robert,

Well I'll tell you one thing for certain..anybody who decides the guilt of another, in the position of Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, in his own mind, based on moral guilt..has got SERIOUS problems with his integrity, his sense of right and wrong and what's more, his sense of justice.

It brings into question his sense of fair play, it brings into question his sense of judgement over another human being, and shows a personal bias based on the fact that he regards his feelings of moralty over a person in a given situation ranking higher than that of the laws of the land regarding justice.

And that's just for starters.

best wishes

Phil

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Why would the alleged ID of the Jewish suspect by a Jewish witness be considered to be so secret and known to so few? It wasn't going to cause riots because Jack the Ripper was a Jew! Or a Pole! Or a lunatic!

Rob House does a fabulous job of making quite clear how strongly anti-Eastern Jew sentiment was running at the time, even amongst more assimilated Jews. The Chief Rabbi of the British Empire gave a sermon where he talked about how calamitous a false I.D. would have been.

So riots over JtR being Polish or a lunatic? No. Riots over a Polish Jew being found as the Ripper? Sounds like it was a reasonable fear.

[Errata]

Hello Errata. Actually, if I want to know whether one of my students is Jewish, all I need do is give him/her a pen and paper and say, "Spell God." If the "o" is replaced with a hyphen, then the student is Jewish.

Works every time.

Cheers.
LC

Depends on the age. Adolescents are so suspicious of anything that smacks of superstition. Another five or ten years, and they are as bad as the rest of us. As soon as I read your post, I thought about, because I haven't actually written with a pen outside of class notes in a dogs age. I don't type it with a hyphen so I thought I was over it. But no, I can't do it. Evidently that was instilled pretty deep. Or it's the OCD talking. One of the two.

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Well I'll tell you one thing for certain..anybody who decides the guilt of another, in the position of Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, in his own mind, based on moral guilt..has got SERIOUS problems with his integrity, his sense of right and wrong and what's more, his sense of justice.

It brings into question his sense of fair play, it brings into question his sense of judgement over another human being, and shows a personal bias based on the fact that he regards his feelings of moralty over a person in a given situation ranking higher than that of the laws of the land regarding justice.

Amazing.

You have such a low opinion of the police of the day. I wouldn't even know where to begin to address this.

There is an incredibly simple answer to much of this:

"Anderson only thought he knew."

Doesn't require him to be evil. No need for an intergalactic conspiracy carried on to this very day. It doesn't impugn the intelligence or the morality of a man none of us know.

[Errata]

Rob House does a fabulous job of making quite clear how strongly anti-Eastern Jew sentiment was running at the time, even amongst more assimilated Jews. The Chief Rabbi of the British Empire gave a sermon where he talked about how calamitous a false I.D. would have been.

So riots over JtR being Polish or a lunatic? No. Riots over a Polish Jew being found as the Ripper? Sounds like it was a reasonable fear.

By why not 30 years later? I can see an argument for not making it public in 1889. But why not release the information in 1900? 1930? Why never?

[Phil Carter]

Rob House does a fabulous job of making quite clear how strongly anti-Eastern Jew sentiment was running at the time, even amongst more assimilated Jews. The Chief Rabbi of the British Empire gave a sermon where he talked about how calamitous a false I.D. would have been.

So riots over JtR being Polish or a lunatic? No. Riots over a Polish Jew being found as the Ripper? Sounds like it was a reasonable fear.

Hello Robert,

Not when the Polish Jew theory, via Anderson, was made public knowledge, it wouldn't. And especially not in 1910.

The Polish Jew theory is a patsy, given us by a man who is roundly disagreed with by MOST of his peers.

The book TLSOMOL is one long self centered ego trip. In the book, the man openly lied about how he ended his days in the job. His version protects "me, myself, I". Thanks to the efforts of Simon Wood, we actually know the truth.

best wishes

Phil

[robhouse]

Well I'll tell you one thing for certain..anybody who decides the guilt of another, in the position of Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, in his own mind, based on moral guilt..has got SERIOUS problems with his integrity, his sense of right and wrong and what's more, his sense of justice.

I'm sorry... what? Are you referring to Anderson's comments about "moral certainty"? If so, then this is a massive misunderstanding of both the term itself, and how Anderson used the term in reference to the Ripper murders.

RH