Is Kosminski the man really viable?

[robhouse]

Well Phil, you basically didn't respond to anything I said, but responded in your usual way. There is no point in my responding to your inane list.

Have a nice life.

RH

[Phil Carter]

Hello Mike,

Combing institutions for unstable viables is going to prove without a doubt that there were many people with mental illness during the period in question, however its going to prove nothing about which one of them if any should be considered a genuine suspect for any of these murders.

I believe I am correct in saying that quite a few reports exist in newspapers of either the men themselves claiming to be the murderer, or others bringing the man in front of a judge have been delivered very quickly to the local lunacy ward, because of relatives concerns for them being dangerous etc etc.

best wishes

Phil

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

I personally dont see the handiwork of mentally challenged individuals in the murders I would personally assign to one man.

Do you mean mentally challenged as in retarded or as in insane?

[Phil Carter]

Well Phil, you basically didn't respond to anything I said, but responded in your usual way. There is no point in my responding to your inane list.

Have a nice life.

RH

Hello Rob,

Can you or can you not directly connect Aaron Kosminski to any of the murders in Whitechapel 1888? If not.. Kosminski is on a par with Sickert. Or PAV. Or whoever has been dreamt up in this business. It's a simple question. Yes or no.

And my life will be fine... knowing you refuse to answer in the affermative, or otherwise, to the above simple question.

Conclusion? Aaron Kosminski was NOT a murderer, let alone "Jack the Ripper".

Phil

PS That "inane" list is only half or even a quarter of the things pointing against Aaron Kosminski being a murderer. Ignore it if you wish.

[Chris]

There is no point in my responding to your inane list.

To be fair, I think Phil does deserve some credit for continuing to add items to his list even after he ran out of letters of the alphabet. Though I must admit I didn't look at more than the first few.

I remember an anecdote about a snippet of overheard conversation between two Oxbridge academics. One was saying to the other "And ninthly ..." With Phil it would be "And twenty-ninthly ..."

[Chris]

PS That "inane" list is only half or even a quarter of the things pointing against Aaron Kosminski being a murderer. Ignore it if you wish.

Oops! Make that "And one-hundred-and-sixteenthly ..."

[robhouse]

Can you or can you not directly connect Aaron Kosminski to any of the murders in Whitechapel 1888? If not.. Kosminski is on a par with Sickert. Or PAV. Or whoever has been dreamt up in this business. It's a simple question. Yes or no.

This is an idiotic question.

Are you asking me if I have some sort of clue like DNA linking Kozminski to one of the crime scenes? No I do not. If that is your question, the answer is no.

If you think that means "Aaron Kosminski was NOT a murderer" then fine. That makes no sense at all but that's fine. It is in line with the way your analysis works.

You think that despite the fact that the head of Scotland Yard, and the man in charge of the Ripper investigation clearly believed Kozminski was a very serious suspect in the case, we should listen instead to Phil Carter, armchair detective extrordinaire, who clearly knows more about the Ripper murders than they did.

As I said before, my book was an exploration of that assertion. I found that many things support Kozminski as a suspect in the crimes, AND several of the reasons he has been dismissed as a suspect are erroneous.

You dont care about that though. You will keep repeating the same old things.

Good luck to you

RH

[robhouse]

To be fair, I think Phil does deserve some credit for continuing to add items to his list even after he ran out of letters of the alphabet. Though I must admit I didn't look at more than the first few.

I remember an anecdote about a snippet of overheard conversation between two Oxbridge academics. One was saying to the other "And ninthly ..." With Phil it would be "And twenty-ninthly ..."

That's a good point. Admittedly, I didn't bother reading his list closely either. I just skimmed it to see if he responded to anything I said. He didn't, so... whatever.

Rob

[Phil Carter]

To be fair, I think Phil does deserve some credit for continuing to add items to his list even after he ran out of letters of the alphabet. Though I must admit I didn't look at more than the first few.

I remember an anecdote about a snippet of overheard conversation between two Oxbridge academics. One was saying to the other "And ninthly ..." With Phil it would be "And twenty-ninthly ..."

Hello Chris,

Education time.

The three extra letters are tagged on from the last three letters of the Norwegian alphabet. Æ, Ø and Å. There are 29 letters in the Norwegian alphabet, and there are more than 5 vowels too, by the way. a,e,i,o,u, y,æ,ø,å. 9 in total.

I happen to be using a keyboard with all the Norwegian letters on it. Strange as I live here...what?

Useful, now and again though. Especially when making good points in greater quantitative numbers.

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

This is an idiotic question.

Are you asking me if I have some sort of clue like DNA linking Kozminski to one of the crime scenes? No I do not. If that is your question, the answer is no.

If you think that means "Aaron Kosminski was NOT a murderer" then fine. That makes no sense at all but that's fine. It is in line with the way your analysis works.

You think that despite the fact that the head of Scotland Yard, and the man in charge of the Ripper investigation clearly believed Kozminski was a very serious suspect in the case, we should listen instead to Phil Carter, armchair detective extrordinaire, who clearly knows more about the Ripper murders than they did.

As I said before, my book was an exploration of that assertion. I found that many things support Kozminski as a suspect in the crimes, AND several of the reasons he has been dismissed as a suspect are erroneous.

You dont care about that though. You will keep repeating the same old things.

Good luck to you

RH

No Rob, I asked for direct evidence of Aaron Kosminski being linked to any of the murders. DNA was not in my mind..it is not a ridiculous question.

Had you bothered to read the "inane" list then one of the points was that Aaron Kosminski was never seen nor identified near any murder scene on any night in question. Neither has he been linked to any of the murders in any way shape or form. There is nothing of any mention of Aaron Kosminski in any document, ever, connected to the murders.

If you have evidence of otherwise. Show it.
If you can't.. then Aaron Kosminski's candidacy is on a par with those mentioned before, who also sit in the same carraige to nowhere.

Phil

[Chris]

Education time.

The three extra letters are tagged on from the last three letters of the Norwegian alphabet. Æ, Ø and Å.

We live and learn, but not the wiser grow.

Being a mere mathematician, I thought Ø meant something quite different.

[Phil Carter]

We live and learn, but not the wiser grow.

Being a mere mathematician, I thought Ø meant something quite different.

Hello Chris,

In Internation language, i.e.flight tickets. when translated...

Æ is written AE
Ø is written OE
Å is written AA

best wishes

Phil

[Richard E. Nixon]

They were absolutely convinced they had their man.

Anderson claimed the diagnosis was proven right on every count.

Swanson's notes make it clear that suspect would have hanged and his name was Kosminski.

Strong stuff. Difficult to see how they could have been any more convinced outside of catching him red handed.

However, none of the other officials agreed. In fact, some were just as convinced it was Druitt or Chapman. And, Kosminski wasn't put away until 1891. And he didn't die until 1919. And would someone really refuse to testify against a serial killer simply because he was a fellow jew? That alone sounds fishy and antisemitic.

My doubts about Kosminski as the killer are mostly behavioral, though. As said before, this killer was able to think on his feet and carry on a conversation. I don't think Kosminski, as described, could do that. He would be seen as a very bizzare character at the least and a probable lunatic. The man we are looking for was able to walk around and blend in. A man ranting to himself as he ate out of the gutter would have raised a red flag.

[Cogidubnus]

Of course it's not an original thought but do we really know that Kosminski is such an unlikely suspect?

Apart from the tantalising account of his arrest for exercising an unmuzzled dog, we really don't know what his day to day behaviour was like. In fact the accounts of the dog case make him seem quite chirpy...He could have been, pre-asylum, quite an outgoing character...

Once he is incarcerated, however, he seems to fold in on himself...almost collapse and hide within himself...I'm no expert but have heard that this is far from unusual...didn't I hear even Sutcliffe withdrew within himself once shut away?

And I'd guess as time went by he'd become institutionalised and shut his real "me" even further away...hence lapses into periods of speaking only in a foreign tongue (perhaps Yiddish?)...

So possibly his post-1891 behaviour is at odds with that shown before?

All the best

Dave

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Another of the intrepid three, Macnagthen, reduces Kosminski to a poor second or even third in his list of those more likely than Cutbush to be the Ripper. Oh yes, I forgot, MM was a high ranking policeman who's coments are regarded of the same import as Anderson and swanson in Ripperology.

Perhaps that should be revisited.

We know Warren described him as incompetent and tried to block his appointment in 1887. I realize this has been attributed to personal politics between Warren and Monro. Probably was....but still we assume.

I don't see evidence of a distinguished police career on behalf of Macnaghten.

If the Memorandum hadn't come to light we would not even be discussing him with respect to these crimes; even without his memoirs we'd be talking about Anderson.

I'm not trying to enshrine Anderson's thoughts on the Ripper; I place quite a bit of weight on Abberline's and Littlechild's opinions on the matter. But I'm not putting Macnaghten on a pedestal, either.