Is Kosminski the man really viable?

[Phil Carter]

Posters on this board seem to have a unique ability to channel the mind set of an official long dead. Also without reading any of his religious works, because they wouldn't be of relevance.

It's a Brave New History we're forging here.

Hello Robert,

I have read three of Anderson's books.
Two religious, one not.
The two religious were, to me, comparable to chewing cement.

best wishes

Phil

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

No sir, I have a low opinion of this policeman. Sir Robert Anderson, Assistent Commissioner, Met Police. I didn't call him evil either. I called him moralistically above the law, in his own mind.

Posters on this board seem to have a unique ability to channel the mind set of an official long dead. Also without reading any of his religious works, because they wouldn't be of relevance.

It's a Brave New History we're forging here.

[Phil Carter]

Amazing.

You have such a low opinion of the police of the day. I wouldn't even know where to begin to address this.

There is an incredibly simple answer to much of this:

"Anderson only thought he knew."

Doesn't require him to be evil. No need for an intergalactic conspiracy carried on to this very day. It doesn't impugn the intelligence or the morality of a man none of us know.

Hello Robert,

No sir, I have a low opinion of this policeman. Sir Robert Anderson, Assistent Commissioner, Met Police. I didn't call him evil either. I called him moralistically above the law, in his own mind. He actually boasted about his ability to find people guilty of crimes morally, without due process.
I find that repulsive, from a man in his position.

And THAT is a policeman who shows no hint of bias? Not on your nelly would I trust such a man. If this man made his mind up that the man in front of him was morally guilty, he was immovable.

Amazing? Hardly. It's reality. The man was bloated full of his own ego. Only recently has he been hoisted upon his own petard.

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

I wish I knew.

But I'll tell you one thing for certain.

The Whitechapel murders have not remained a closely-guarded state secret for almost 125 years because "Jack the Ripper" was either a low-class Polish Jew or an effete barrister/schoolteacher.

Regards,

Simon

Closely guarded state sercret? Please Simon, dont treat me like a Newbie my friend.

Hello Robert,

Well I'll tell you one thing for certain..anybody who decides the guilt of another, in the position of Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, in his own mind, based on moral guilt..has got SERIOUS problems with his integrity, his sense of right and wrong and what's more, his sense of justice.

It brings into question his sense of fair play, it brings into question his sense of judgement over another human being, and shows a personal bias based on the fact that he regards his feelings of moralty over a person in a given situation ranking higher than that of the laws of the land regarding justice.

And that's just for starters.

The Judge being judged on the same standards.

In this new dawn of Admin, where if one hasnt got anything nice to say dont say it.....I shall further more remain silent.

Monty

[robhouse]

Well I'll tell you one thing for certain..anybody who decides the guilt of another, in the position of Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, in his own mind, based on moral guilt..has got SERIOUS problems with his integrity, his sense of right and wrong and what's more, his sense of justice.

I'm sorry... what? Are you referring to Anderson's comments about "moral certainty"? If so, then this is a massive misunderstanding of both the term itself, and how Anderson used the term in reference to the Ripper murders.

RH

[Phil Carter]

Rob House does a fabulous job of making quite clear how strongly anti-Eastern Jew sentiment was running at the time, even amongst more assimilated Jews. The Chief Rabbi of the British Empire gave a sermon where he talked about how calamitous a false I.D. would have been.

So riots over JtR being Polish or a lunatic? No. Riots over a Polish Jew being found as the Ripper? Sounds like it was a reasonable fear.

Hello Robert,

Not when the Polish Jew theory, via Anderson, was made public knowledge, it wouldn't. And especially not in 1910.

The Polish Jew theory is a patsy, given us by a man who is roundly disagreed with by MOST of his peers.

The book TLSOMOL is one long self centered ego trip. In the book, the man openly lied about how he ended his days in the job. His version protects "me, myself, I". Thanks to the efforts of Simon Wood, we actually know the truth.

best wishes

Phil

[Errata]

Rob House does a fabulous job of making quite clear how strongly anti-Eastern Jew sentiment was running at the time, even amongst more assimilated Jews. The Chief Rabbi of the British Empire gave a sermon where he talked about how calamitous a false I.D. would have been.

So riots over JtR being Polish or a lunatic? No. Riots over a Polish Jew being found as the Ripper? Sounds like it was a reasonable fear.

By why not 30 years later? I can see an argument for not making it public in 1889. But why not release the information in 1900? 1930? Why never?

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Well I'll tell you one thing for certain..anybody who decides the guilt of another, in the position of Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, in his own mind, based on moral guilt..has got SERIOUS problems with his integrity, his sense of right and wrong and what's more, his sense of justice.

It brings into question his sense of fair play, it brings into question his sense of judgement over another human being, and shows a personal bias based on the fact that he regards his feelings of moralty over a person in a given situation ranking higher than that of the laws of the land regarding justice.

Amazing.

You have such a low opinion of the police of the day. I wouldn't even know where to begin to address this.

There is an incredibly simple answer to much of this:

"Anderson only thought he knew."

Doesn't require him to be evil. No need for an intergalactic conspiracy carried on to this very day. It doesn't impugn the intelligence or the morality of a man none of us know.

[Errata]

Hello Errata. Actually, if I want to know whether one of my students is Jewish, all I need do is give him/her a pen and paper and say, "Spell God." If the "o" is replaced with a hyphen, then the student is Jewish.

Works every time.

Cheers.
LC

Depends on the age. Adolescents are so suspicious of anything that smacks of superstition. Another five or ten years, and they are as bad as the rest of us. As soon as I read your post, I thought about, because I haven't actually written with a pen outside of class notes in a dogs age. I don't type it with a hyphen so I thought I was over it. But no, I can't do it. Evidently that was instilled pretty deep. Or it's the OCD talking. One of the two.

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Why would the alleged ID of the Jewish suspect by a Jewish witness be considered to be so secret and known to so few? It wasn't going to cause riots because Jack the Ripper was a Jew! Or a Pole! Or a lunatic!

Rob House does a fabulous job of making quite clear how strongly anti-Eastern Jew sentiment was running at the time, even amongst more assimilated Jews. The Chief Rabbi of the British Empire gave a sermon where he talked about how calamitous a false I.D. would have been.

So riots over JtR being Polish or a lunatic? No. Riots over a Polish Jew being found as the Ripper? Sounds like it was a reasonable fear.

[Phil Carter]

What humors me is that many here presume they are better people than Anderson.

Hello Robert,

Well I'll tell you one thing for certain..anybody who decides the guilt of another, in the position of Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, in his own mind, based on moral guilt..has got SERIOUS problems with his integrity, his sense of right and wrong and what's more, his sense of justice.

It brings into question his sense of fair play, it brings into question his sense of judgement over another human being, and shows a personal bias based on the fact that he regards his feelings of moralty over a person in a given situation ranking higher than that of the laws of the land regarding justice.

And that's just for starters.

best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Sir Robert,

You seem to have reduced any criticism of Anderson to the baying of a mob. My goodness, next you'll be telling us to eat cake.

But no matter.

If they were simply five unsolved murders, kindly explain why various head honchos at Scotland Yard kept the Ripper pot boiling for the next twenty-five years, during which their "solutions" were many and various.

Why didn't they simply give a collective shrug and admit they were beat?

Regards,

Simon

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

It humours me that many here assume they know better than Anderson, Swanson et al. They do not.

What humors me is that many here presume they are better people than Anderson.

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Hi Sir Robert,

How else might you categorize the Whitechapel murders?

As unsolved murders Simon. Probably 5 unsolved murders committed by probably one person. Unsolved murders that we like to play armchair detective with as we've granted Jack iconic status.

Where and how do state secrets come into play?

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Reserving an opinion on Swanson and the margin call, Andersons opinion must be considered as good as his historical integrity, which is to say, suspect.

On what basis do you propose to access Anderson's integrity? On the basis that if enough internet posters chant something it becomes true?