A Case of Misattribution?

[lynn cates]

precise moment

Hello Jon. Thanks. I'm thinking she died between their "seeing daylight" and her opening the paper and withdrawing one.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"It strikes me that if they were her own cachous she would have taken one and put the packet in her pocket."

Well, what if she took out the packet to get one and was killed before replacing them?

Cheers.
LC

No cachous found in her mouth?

Jon S.

[lynn cates]

what if

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"It strikes me that if they were her own cachous she would have taken one and put the packet in her pocket."

Well, what if she took out the packet to get one and was killed before replacing them?

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

If he was the one who announced to the men upstairs that there was a dead woman in the yard, then that is probably right.

Thanks.

Wasn't he just a lad? or did I read something that made me think that?

Hi Curious,

If he was just a lad, there was, in the 1891 census, a Ruben Galman (21), boarding at 50, Greenfield Street, Mile End Old Town - a cabinet maker.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

Stammer

Hello Rob. Thanks. I don't see why this would not work. Of course, it may or may not dovetail with Schwartz's story.

Now, just to make the gravy thick, do you recall the description of Stammer? "Broad shoulders" and "walks like a sailor"?

Just for fun!

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Rob. Thanks for the confirmation. i am hesitant to interpret another's thought.

I rather like this, just needs tweaking to work out her entrance into the yard, cachous in hand, etc.

Cheers.
LC

It strikes me that if they were her own cachous she would have taken one and put the packet in her pocket. She kept them in her hand because they were not hers.

Perhaps,....as BS-man staggered away some thoughtful soul stepped out of the shadows with cachous in hand to console Stride after her being pushed around like that, and offered the packet to her, which is why she kept hold of them.
Winning her confidence, he turned her around to clean the mud off her jacket, and then he struck...

Jon S.

[Rob Clack]

Do you suspect the young man who seemed to know and who announced that there was a dead woman in the yard prior to there being a known way he was supposed to know? As I recall, the young man announced the dead woman to a group upstairs before others had left the building to investigate what Diemschutz had discovered.

I remember that being discussed on the Arbeter Fraint thread earlier this year.

curious

If he was the one who announced to the men upstairs that there was a dead woman in the yard, then that is probably right.

Thanks.

Wasn't he just a lad? or did I read something that made me think that?

Anyway, just a vague memory here, but I recall someone was out of sequence.

I don't remember the recent discussion but a discussion some years back about this and that Gilleman was a reference to Dimshitz. It was a discussion between Paul Begg and Peter Turnball if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can dig it out somewhere.

Hello Rob. Thanks.

That's true. Actually, the scenario would, I suppose, be similar to Christer's old position that, once in the yard, she gave him a piece of her mind and, whilst exiting stopped for one of the cachous. Knowing Yiddish, she might have hurled an insult and proceeded eastward. The club man may have been on the brink, as it were, and reacted violently. Something like that?

I like it.

Say, you should do this more often.

Cheers.
LC

Thanks Lynn, Yes that would make sense to me. I think the clubman would have left the scene after that. Going into the building wouldn't have been an option and he probably would have missed Dimshitz by a good five or ten minutes.

Rob

[curious]

Hi Curious,

If you mean the young man referred to in Morris Eagle's inquest testimony his name was Gilleman.

Regards, Bridewell.

If he was the one who announced to the men upstairs that there was a dead woman in the yard, then that is probably right.

Thanks.

Wasn't he just a lad? or did I read something that made me think that?

Anyway, just a vague memory here, but I recall someone was out of sequence.

[Bridewell]

Do you suspect the young man who seemed to know and who announced that there was a dead woman in the yard prior to there being a known way he was supposed to know? As I recall, the young man announced the dead woman to a group upstairs before others had left the building to investigate what Diemschutz had discovered.

I remember that being discussed on the Arbeter Fraint thread earlier this year.

curious

Hi Curious,

If you mean the young man referred to in Morris Eagle's inquest testimony his name was Gilleman. There's a Belgian named Louis Gilleman in the 1891 census, aged 31years and a wardrobe dealer. He lived in St Georges, Belgrave.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

hmm

Hello Rob. Thanks.

That's true. Actually, the scenario would, I suppose, be similar to Christer's old position that, once in the yard, she gave him a piece of her mind and, whilst exiting stopped for one of the cachous. Knowing Yiddish, she might have hurled an insult and proceeded eastward. The club man may have been on the brink, as it were, and reacted violently. Something like that?

I like it.

Say, you should do this more often.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Thanks Tracy, Maria already knows I suspect a Berner Street clubman as we have already had this discussion on the 'Arbeter Fraint's Take' and she didn't like it then.

Rob

Do you suspect the young man who seemed to know and who announced that there was a dead woman in the yard prior to there being a known way he was supposed to know? As I recall, the young man announced the dead woman to a group upstairs before others had left the building to investigate what Diemschutz had discovered.

I remember that being discussed on the Arbeter Fraint thread earlier this year.

curious

[Rob Clack]

Are you serious?! I think it is quite a logical explanation.

Tracy

Thanks Tracy, Maria already knows I suspect a Berner Street clubman as we have already had this discussion on the 'Arbeter Fraint's Take' and she didn't like it then.

Rob

[tji]

Wow, I'm surprised! Esp. coming from someone who's very reasonable and against wild speculation.

Are you serious?! I think it is quite a logical explanation.

Tracy

[tji]

Hi Archaic

You're correct, from the 1790's to the end of WWI in 1918, Poland was not an independent nation.

Part of Poland were under the control of the Austro-Hungarian Empire; other parts of it were under the dominion of the Russian Empire and the Prussian Empire. In fact, one of the Russian Tsar's official titles was 'Tsar of Poland'.

This is what I was trying (very badly) to ask in my post last night, could the reason they change their birthplace from Poland to Russia be because of invading parties. Obviously by the next census they felt comfortable changing back to Polish.

It is only an idea though I am not saying I know this is why the birthplaces changed for fact.

Tracy

[Rob Clack]

Hello Rob. Thanks for the confirmation. i am hesitant to interpret another's thought.

I rather like this, just needs tweaking to work out her entrance into the yard, cachous in hand, etc.

Cheers.
LC

That's okay Lynn. No reason why she couldn't have followed BS into the yard and continued arguing with him.

Rob