A Case of Misattribution?

[Tom_Wescott]

Oh come on Tom, now you're joining Lynn's counter-intelligence theory (about Okhrana's provocatory acts etc.). If I were to consider that theory, I'm rather seeing Le Grand (or even Bachert!) as the culprit, rather than a random “double agent anarchist“.

It's funny you mention that, as I was offered a 2nd tier spot in their Cabal, but I failed the written exam.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Stride was found dead outside a club. Just because I don't consider it 'wild speculation' that someone FROM that club killed Stride, does not mean I'm married to the idea, or that I think Russian spies did it.

[Rob Clack]

Sorry, I don't adhere to the possibility of an IWEC member or an IWEC visitor that night having been the "spontaneous“ killer. What are the odds that this event was followed by the Mitre square murder done by someone else? And people connected with the IWEC knew to avoid the police. How many murderers among them were ever arrested POST the double event? Zero.

I also have my problems with Bachert as a suspect, though motive for him would have been pretty obvious.

You really haven't got a clue have you.

Rob

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

I couldn't have put it better myself.

It's all denial.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

math

Hello Maria. If this is not math or philosophy, why are you doing probability and statistics? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Yes Simon, but this is not math or a philosophy course, this is reality and a murder investigation.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Maria,

There's no rule which states that a particular coincidence must have a precedent or later repeat itself.

Regards,

Simon

[Michael W Richards]

Not that you are likely to agree, but if its facts that work best Maria Liz Stride was killed in the same manner of another woman in the East End on that same night, needless to say that wasnt Kate. The other murder wasnt in the City for 1, and it was personal, for a second.

What are the odds that in the middle of a Ripper "series" a torso would appear and it would be unconnected to the alleged Ripper murders? 4 were in fact found over the span of a few years, but 1 during that Fall. If Jack the Ripper didnt kill all 11 or 13 women that are in the Whitechapel Murder files, then another man or men killed some of them. Maybe Torso maker offed one or more....Marys right arm is virtually cut free and a few Canonical women show possible attempts to decapitate.

4 of the Ripper murders were unusual, 1 wasnt. Strides.

The discovery of an appropriate "Why" in Liz Strides case should narrow the search for her killer.

But creating some fantasy murder free zone that the alledged Jack worked in will assuredly not.

Best regards,

Mike R

[mariab]

And no other similar "discrete event" happened before or after but on that precise night of Sept. 30?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Maria,

Why should one discrete event not be followed by another similarly discrete event?

We dismiss coincidence simply because it is inconvenient.

Regards,

Simon

[mariab]

Oh come on Tom, now you're joining Lynn's counter-intelligence theory (about Okhrana's provocatory acts etc.). If I were to consider that theory, I'm rather seeing Le Grand (or even Bachert!) as the culprit, rather than a random “double agent anarchist“.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Maria. A club attendee may also have killed Eddowes. I don't consider this the likeliest theory, but it's viable.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Sorry, I don't adhere to the possibility of an IWEC member or an IWEC visitor that night having been the "spontaneous“ killer. What are the odds that this event was followed by the Mitre square murder done by someone else? And people connected with the IWEC knew to avoid the police. How many murderers among them were ever arrested POST the double event? Zero.

I also have my problems with Bachert as a suspect, though motive for him would have been pretty obvious.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Tom,

I shall change that to "club attendee".

Same reasoning applies.

Regards,

Simon

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Simon. Serial killer and lust murder are not necessarily mutually exclusive, at least for those of us enlightened to the fact that the 1990's 'SK profiling' fad has been a bust.

As for 'club member', I try not to use the member word, because on any given weekend, the majority of the people at the house would not have been actual members. The socialist/anarchist attracted then, as now, people of all types, including nut cases.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Simon Wood]

Hi Tom,

We can rule out No. 1 and the murder-interruptus/unsated lustmord scenario. Just like the Dodo, it doesn't fly and never will.

No. 2 must remain ingenious speculation, although I do doff my cap to you on your Le Grand researches.

No. 3 is perfectly feasible, but I do not understand why a club member would risk attracting the unwanted attentions of the police to the IWEC.

And, as you say yourself, No. 4 is unlikely.

All thoughts of a serial-killing Jack the Ripper aside for one moment, cutting someone's throat and leaving them to bleed to death in a filthy yard does betoken a certain contempt. So was it deeply personal, or was it expedient?

For reasons I cannot yet explain, I suspect expedience.

For me this is borne out by the oh-so convenient arrival of the SJ postcard, in which No. 1 claimed ownership of the murder and at a single stroke ruled out any other possible motive for the death of Elizabeth Stride.

Regards,

Simon