A Case of Misattribution?

[lynn cates]

math

Hello Roy. Given the mathematical turn of this thread, look closely.

1886 -3

1887 - 9

1888 - 15

What do you notice? Well, from 1887 to 1888, there was a 66.66% increase.

But from 1886 to 1887 there was a 300% increase!!!!

So the real "spike," percentage wise, came in 1887, NOT 1888.

How can a Jackster account for that?

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

I dont have a lot of time so this will be a brief reply. I am sorry but I still disagree with you. Yes, the cut was less deep, but in general character it was similar. I have explained other reasons for the difference above. Incidentally, I am of the opinion that Stride was interrupted by Schwartz, not Diemshitz. To my way of thinking, this should be obvious... but others do not seem to agree with me. We know that a man was seen attacking Stride. I would call this "interruption." If this man was the killer, as I believe, then he would obviously worry that Schwartz would go get a policeman. But he couldn't let Stride live to identify him. So he drags her into the alley, cuts her throat quickly, and bolts. To me this is common sense, and is "consistent with the evidence.

Hi Robhouse,

But he couldn't let Stride live to identify him.

Especially if she knew him. Your post makes a lot of sense to me, for what it's worth.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

1/3

Hello Neil. Thanks.

You do agree, then, that just under 1/3 of English adult female deaths in 1888 were by cut throat?

So I thank you and Colin once again.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

I've never been unnerved by a statistic.

Bored yes, but never unnerved.

Regards,

Simon

I get a similar thing with pure speculation. Then y'all go and dress it up as fact which does stimulate me again, so you kinda get away with it.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

I've never been unnerved by a statistic.

Bored yes, but never unnerved.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

I can see why these stats unnerve you Simon, seeing as it goes against your pet theory and all.

I suggest you look away now, and Trevor.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?p=180312#post180312

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?p=180478#post180478

You see, if you are going to provide an arguement, tis always best to have something of substance supporting your arguement. It bodes better than interpretation.

Dead men and women don't lie.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Kronsteen,

Yes, the upward national trend had not escaped me.

Was 1888 the year they first put fluoride in drinking water?

Regards,

Simon

[Trevor Marriott]

No you are spared, 007

These aren't statistics. These are official records. Useful for this thread, and for Lynn's One size fits all thread.

Registered Deaths of Female Adults (Ages 20 - xx) throughout England, Classified as 'Murder', by way of 'Cut Throat':

1886 -3

1887 - 9

1888 - 15

1889 - 6

1890 -7

Do you see it? The sudden spike in the number of women in England murdered by cut throat in the year 1888 AD.

Now that wasn't so bad was it.

Roy

Perhaps someone should look up the figures for the ensuing years going into modern day times. For both females and males might be interesting to compare?

[Roy Corduroy]

Ah, statistics!

Kill me now.

No you are spared, 007

These aren't statistics. These are official records. Useful for this thread, and for Lynn's One size fits all thread.

Registered Deaths of Female Adults (Ages 20 - xx) throughout England, Classified as 'Murder', by way of 'Cut Throat':

1886 -3

1887 - 9

1888 - 15

1889 - 6

1890 -7

Do you see it? The sudden spike in the number of women in England murdered by cut throat in the year 1888 AD.

Now that wasn't so bad was it.

Roy

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

"Statistics means never having to say you're certain."

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Hello Neil. Do you mean that the statistics have nothing to do with it? Very well. Agreed.

So the salient point is that the C5 were all killed in Tower Hamlets?

Cheers.
LC

If I did Lynn then I would have said so wouldn't I?

No, the point is that throat cutting was not that common, with 15 throat cuts deaths on women for the whole of the UK in 1888.

How many of those occured in Whitechapel?

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Who else would have been in this seaside ID parade?

It surely can't have been just Kosminski standing there on his lonesome.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

Tower Hamlets

Hello Neil. Do you mean that the statistics have nothing to do with it? Very well. Agreed.

So the salient point is that the C5 were all killed in Tower Hamlets?

Cheers.
LC

[robhouse]

Absolutely, Colin. One can only assume that Kosminski didn't appear Jewish.

This is a good point, which is consistent with what little we know...

RH

[Monty]

Hello Neil. Thanks for posting this.

Just to be clear, is the claim:

1. Throat cutting was not common?

or

2. Throat cutting was not a common form of killing?

According to Colin's statistics, murder was not that common a thing. So in that sense, I can live with claim #1.

On the other hand, given Colin's target population, "adult females in all England in 1888" it seems that, out of 56 deaths, 16 were by cut throat. Unless my math skills have completely deserted me, that means that between 1/4 and 1/3 of murdered adult women in England were sent out of this world with a cut throat.

Did I get something wrong?

Cheers.
LC

Not so much the figures but rather the location.

Monty