A Case of Misattribution?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Maria,

Why should one discrete event not be followed by another similarly discrete event?

We dismiss coincidence simply because it is inconvenient.

Regards,

Simon

[mariab]

And no other similar "discrete event" happened before or after but on that precise night of Sept. 30?

[Michael W Richards]

Not that you are likely to agree, but if its facts that work best Maria Liz Stride was killed in the same manner of another woman in the East End on that same night, needless to say that wasnt Kate. The other murder wasnt in the City for 1, and it was personal, for a second.

What are the odds that in the middle of a Ripper "series" a torso would appear and it would be unconnected to the alleged Ripper murders? 4 were in fact found over the span of a few years, but 1 during that Fall. If Jack the Ripper didnt kill all 11 or 13 women that are in the Whitechapel Murder files, then another man or men killed some of them. Maybe Torso maker offed one or more....Marys right arm is virtually cut free and a few Canonical women show possible attempts to decapitate.

4 of the Ripper murders were unusual, 1 wasnt. Strides.

The discovery of an appropriate "Why" in Liz Strides case should narrow the search for her killer.

But creating some fantasy murder free zone that the alledged Jack worked in will assuredly not.

Best regards,

Mike R

[Simon Wood]

Hi Maria,

There's no rule which states that a particular coincidence must have a precedent or later repeat itself.

Regards,

Simon

[mariab]

Yes Simon, but this is not math or a philosophy course, this is reality and a murder investigation.

[lynn cates]

math

Hello Maria. If this is not math or philosophy, why are you doing probability and statistics? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

I couldn't have put it better myself.

It's all denial.

Regards,

Simon

[Rob Clack]

Sorry, I don't adhere to the possibility of an IWEC member or an IWEC visitor that night having been the "spontaneous“ killer. What are the odds that this event was followed by the Mitre square murder done by someone else? And people connected with the IWEC knew to avoid the police. How many murderers among them were ever arrested POST the double event? Zero.

I also have my problems with Bachert as a suspect, though motive for him would have been pretty obvious.

You really haven't got a clue have you.

Rob

[Tom_Wescott]

Oh come on Tom, now you're joining Lynn's counter-intelligence theory (about Okhrana's provocatory acts etc.). If I were to consider that theory, I'm rather seeing Le Grand (or even Bachert!) as the culprit, rather than a random “double agent anarchist“.

It's funny you mention that, as I was offered a 2nd tier spot in their Cabal, but I failed the written exam.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Stride was found dead outside a club. Just because I don't consider it 'wild speculation' that someone FROM that club killed Stride, does not mean I'm married to the idea, or that I think Russian spies did it.

[mariab]

Hello Maria. If this is not math or philosophy, why are you doing probability and statistics? (heh-heh)

Am under the impression that Simon started talking about statistics, which are one of your special fields of study and teaching, Lynn. :-p

Stride was found dead outside a club. Just because I don't consider it 'wild speculation' that someone FROM that club killed Stride, does not mean I'm married to the idea, or that I think Russian spies did it.

Point taken. I consider it a wild idea for this particular Club for reasons I've explained twice in this thread, and in this case, interestingly enough, Simon Wood seems to be agreeing with me. As for Russian spies, I'm interested in exploring Lynn's hint that one of Okhrana's MOs was to instrumentalize local private agencies on the spot.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Maria,

"Simon Wood seems to be agreeing with me"?

I'm flattered, but please explain.

Regards,

Simon

[Scott Nelson]

Hi Maria. A club attendee may also have killed Eddowes.

That's right. You get tired to listening to lectures on socialism, followed by prayers and singing. So you take your frustration out on a woman standing outside and you hot-foot it over to the Imperial Club on Duke Street, where the entertainment is a bit less ponderous.

Except that the piano recital by Jessie Kosminski you were hoping to see was last week. This evening, the club is open to only adult Jewish men and you decide to forego another late night's drudgery of endless circular debate and venture outside again.

[lynn cates]

cry of pain

Hello Maria. Statistics?

Try to imagine a yell of pain, excruciating, loud, miserable and despairing (like the piercing, shrill, singing of Master Nicolas Francken). Let it go on at about 130 decibels for, oh, say, 3 minutes.

That was merely a sigh compared to the sound I just emitted! (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Ouch, poor Lynn! The detail I'm agreeing with Simon Wood is the fact that he too doesn't buy it that an IWEC member would have been so reckless as to murder a prossie for a bit of hassling when the police was on to them big time for cigar contraband and political surveillance.
's matter of fact, I'm slightly drunk on Génépi, which is liquor made from a local flower which looks a bit like edelweiss: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Génépi). It's my last evening here on the hills, riding for the last time early tomorrow. In other words, feeling semi-suicidal. :-(

[Tom_Wescott]

Anarchists are reckless, people. They shoot U.S. Presidents and do all kinds of nutty stuff.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott