Plausibility of Kosminski

[Septic Blue]

Ray Wilkins is starting to look like Uncle Fester innit

'Butch' Wilkins could stand to have some of yours, Stephen:

[Stephen Thomas]

'Butch' Wilkins could stand to have some of yours, Stephen:

My, what a handsome elderly fellow.

[Busy Beaver]

The argument of Kosminski being able to carry out the Ripper murders, I think is still in doubt. We know Kosminski hurled abuse at passers by, ate from the gutters and generally went about the place foaming and spitting from the mouth. Not exactly a chap a desperate prostitute would go with, particularly with the "Ripper" about and I doubt he would accost a prostitute, unless it was to frighten her and if a prostitute accosted him, she would probably have got some foul mouth triad. Kosminski would have been capable of murder, but because of his mental state, would have undoubtedly been caught. I know times and policing has changed, but more often than not a person with some form of mental health problem who kills is often caught and aprehended within two to three hours of committing the crime. Also with some crimes, we see like with George Hutchison, the friend in need is a friend in deed scenario, where someone has a fixation and delays the police whilst they and their claims get checked out and again this "Friend" is totally irrelevant or just a time waster. Because the Ripper was so good at killing and getting away, he meant to do those crimes. Kosminski, It would have been is mental illness and I doubt, he would have killed five women in the way in which the real ripper did and walk away.

Busy Beaver

[The Good Michael]

Beaver, what are you going on about? Foaming at the mouth, spitting, hurling abuse. You haven't a clue as to how he behaved.

Mike

[Busy Beaver]

IMHO, kosminski may have had all the tell tale signs of being a serial killer, but I think he would have flipped and been caught when it all got too much for him.

Busy Beaver

[Yimmit]

I too for a while believed Kosminski as a rather likely suspect. There are, however, some gaps for me in the information regarding Kozminski. Partly due to my own lack of research, the only information regarding Kozminski is the same and i have a want for more regarding his suspected direct involvement in the case / murders. But i still think he is more likely than some others, but the whole kozminski still proves to intrigue me.

[jason_c]

The argument of Kosminski being able to carry out the Ripper murders, I think is still in doubt. We know Kosminski hurled abuse at passers by, ate from the gutters and generally went about the place foaming and spitting from the mouth. Not exactly a chap a desperate prostitute would go with, particularly with the "Ripper" about and I doubt he would accost a prostitute, unless it was to frighten her and if a prostitute accosted him, she would probably have got some foul mouth triad. Kosminski would have been capable of murder, but because of his mental state, would have undoubtedly been caught. I know times and policing has changed, but more often than not a person with some form of mental health problem who kills is often caught and aprehended within two to three hours of committing the crime. Also with some crimes, we see like with George Hutchison, the friend in need is a friend in deed scenario, where someone has a fixation and delays the police whilst they and their claims get checked out and again this "Friend" is totally irrelevant or just a time waster. Because the Ripper was so good at killing and getting away, he meant to do those crimes. Kosminski, It would have been is mental illness and I doubt, he would have killed five women in the way in which the real ripper did and walk away.

Busy Beaver

The discovery of Kosminskis dog muzzling court appearance suggests he looked and acted perfectly sane a year after the murders.

[Abby Normal]

I remember years ago when I first started studying the Ripper case casually (before I really delved into it more deeply the past couple of years) having the impression that Kosminski being the Ripper was almost a done deal. He was the first suspect I had a strong feeling about. But having learned a lot more now, one thing seems to stand out. The Ripper was clearly not a predator that lurked in shadows waiting for his prey to pass by and then pounced on them, but one who approached his victims posing as a client, talking to them with some level of charm and convincing them to come away with him into dark and remote places. As the body count grew and the prostitutes would have become more and more cautious, he would have had to have seemed as non-threatening as possible. But Kosminski is described as having deteriorated mentally to such a low state that he roamed the streets eating garbage off of the ground. Does anyone else feel that there is no way that such a character could have posessed the appearance, charm, or even the mental capacity to put his victims at ease? I no longer feel there is any chance that he was Jack the Ripper.

Agree,
Don't think it would be someone on the way to the loony bin.
It was probably someone who the ladies might have possibly known casually or at least seen around and felt comfortable enough with.
GH knew one prostitute, how many others did he know?

[caz]

Please, no GH on this thread.

Love,

Caz
X

[Abby Normal]

Please, no GH on this thread.

Love,

Caz
X

Sorry-will do

Still learning the protocol here.

[Trevor Marriott]

I do not subscribe to Kosminski theory at all and one major issue which is important when assessing the facts surrounding his inclusion in the list of suspect is the so called seaside home identification and i will comment as follows.

The seaside homes were set up and used soley for the rehabiitation and the recovery of serving police officers who had been injured on duty or who were sufferring from the effects of stress. They would have been used by many police forces nor just the met or the city of london police.

Some researchers suggest that the home mentioned was not a police home

Having regard to those I can see no logical explantion for Kosminski to have been taken to the south coast there for the purposes of an ID procedure. That procedure if it ever took place and i have serious doubts about that could have taken place anywhere in the metropolis.The logistics of taking Kosminski and a witness to that location would have been immense at that time.

I think this another example of researchers accepting as gospel what police officers wrote in later years about suspects as being correct.

Abberline - Chapman
Littlechild - Tumblety
Swanson- Kosminski
Macnagten- Druitt Kosminski Ostrog
Anderson -Polish jew (Kosminski)

Not one actual police file on any of these has been found. Not one official police record relating to the aformentioned officers and their suspicions has been found.

Researchers will suggest the reason for this is the missing files. But surely its a big suggestion to say that "all" the files went missing. Clearly they were stil around in 1894 as the memo was obvioulsy compiled from what files there were on the ripper investigation at that time.

Having said that there would appear to have been no files/records on any of the other suspects at that time otherwise the names would have been in the memo. So that in itself adds weight to the suggestion that the police at that time had nothing on the other suspects later named by the police officers in their later writings.

At the end of the day so far no one has produced a scrap of tangible evidence to support what these officers wrote. It is clear that they all had their own agendas when publishing their beliefs.

My belief is that no files were lost stolen or went missing. In fact the police had very little to go on and so there were very few actual files on the Ripper investigation.

If ever the special branch ledgers/registers are made public i think that the whole world of Ripperology may be turned up side down leaving many people to re asses their thoughts and suspicions.

I hope the day of judgment will not be long in coming !

[Chris]

My belief is that no files were lost stolen or went missing.

It's well established that files did go missing. See chapter 38 of the Ultimate Sourcebook, entitled "The Missing Suspects Files."

[Trevor Marriott]

It's well established that files did go missing. See chapter 38 of the Ultimate Sourcebook, entitled "The Missing Suspects Files."

Thats not proof !

[Chris]

Thats not proof !

Previous researchers noted documents that aren't there now. How can that not imply that some of the documents have gone missing?

[Stewart P Evans]

Misapprehension

I think that Trevor might be labouring under a misapprehension here. Much material did go missing, in the 1970s, and I have photocopies of some of it that were made before the reports went 'walking'. Apropos of the actual murders, the whole file on Emma Smith went missing, but fortunately not before Sergeant Donald Rumbelow of the City Police saw it and made verbatim notes.