Hi Glenn,
Depsite your very annoying and condescending manner, I get your point. In fact, I agree with it. The problem I have is that you take it to extremes. You would have us believe that because it all got caught up in the context of a Ripper murder that the police simply abandoned basic police procedures and common sense. That is where we part company.
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Originally posted by Jon Guy View PostTotally agree, C.D.
If there is one thing that we should have full confidence in the H Div boys and the `tecs was their ability to check out alibis, and looking people like Kidney in the eye.
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Originally posted by Jon Guy View PostHello Glenn
As you will know Kidney stayed in a common Lodging House so if he was at "home" after midnight he may well have signed a register and numerous lodgers and a deputy could have vouched for him.
Are you sure of that Kidney stayed in a common lodging house at the time of the murder (note: not the time of the inquest)? Didn't Stride and Kidney live on a firm address, and that Stride had disappeared from there and left for the lodging house in Flower and Dean Street to avoid him? Just asking because I can't really remember - but I can't seem to recall that Stride and Kidney lived in a lodging house together. But I might be wrong.
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Originally posted by c.d. View PostHi Glenn,
Would I expect the Scotland Yard of 1888 to be able to do a sophisticated DNA analysis like they can in 2008? No. Would they be capable of asking someone where they were the night of a murder? Yeah, I think the boys could handle that but then again I may just be naive.
c.d.
Well - AGAIN - that was NOT the point or the problem I addressed. I just tried to explain to you about the serial context killer and that this happened the same night as a Ripper murder and was treated as one. Although what Schwartz saw definitely could be viewed as a dolestic dispute, fact remains that it was almost immediately connected with the Eddowes murder. This was NOT the context of an ordinary domestic murder.
But once you missed the whole point I addressed and I have to admit I have lost all hope of getting it across to you.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Postanymore than there is a suggestion that they thoroughly checked up on John Kelly's whereabouts at the time of Eddowes' murder.
Deputy Keeper, Wilkinson was asked to present the register for the Lodging House at the Eddowes inquest.
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Hello Sam
My assumptions are based upon the police reports that are available, such as interviewing the blind boy Dixon, and Sadler`s landlady from years previous, to name two examples from many. So it would be reasonable to assume they followed up the line of enquiry in the case of Kidney.
But yes, an assumption on my part.
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Hi Sam,
You're right [OMG, I never thought I'd say that! It must be Christmas].
The LVP cops appeared to believe everybody—Kelly, Schwartz, Kidney, Hutchinson et al.
It makes sense. Think of all the paperwork they avoided.
Nadolig llawen a blwyddyn newydd dda.
Simon
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostAgain, we're assuming that the police went so far as to check, Jon. However, there's no suggestion that they did so - anymore than there is a suggestion that they thoroughly checked up on John Kelly's whereabouts at the time of Eddowes' murder.
c.d.
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Originally posted by Jon Guy View PostAs you will know Kidney stayed in a common Lodging House so if he was at "home" after midnight he may well have signed a register and numerous lodgers and a deputy could have vouched for him.
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Originally posted by c.d. View PostWould I expect the Scotland Yard of 1888 to be able to do a sophisticated DNA analysis like they can in 2008? No. Would they be capable of asking someone where they were the night of a murder? Yeah, I think the boys could handle that but then again I may just be naive.
If there is one thing that we should have full confidence in the H Div boys and the `tecs was their ability to check out alibis, and looking people like Kidney in the eye.
If only Sgt Badham had initially interviewed Colin Stagg.
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Originally posted by Glenn Lauritz Andersson View PostAnd remember - even if Kidney might have had an alibi, alibies can be faked.
As you will know Kidney stayed in a common Lodging House so if he was at "home" after midnight he may well have signed a register and numerous lodgers and a deputy could have vouched for him.
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Hi Glenn,
Would I expect the Scotland Yard of 1888 to be able to do a sophisticated DNA analysis like they can in 2008? No. Would they be capable of asking someone where they were the night of a murder? Yeah, I think the boys could handle that but then again I may just be naive.
c.d.
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Possibly Ben, but then Anderson says "Not speaking as an expert in crime, but as a man who investigated the facts" and Anderson did do some hands on investigation in the Alice Mckenzie murder...
Sounds to me like both Swanson and Anderson were present
But I'm straying off topic better leave for later
PirateLast edited by Jeff Leahy; 12-18-2008, 10:25 PM.
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A nice idea is that the suspect reacted to the witness with mutual recognition, which would in turn have added weight to the value of the witness’s testimony
"He knew he was identified" could simply mean that it was put to the suspect directly: "You have been identified by the witness" so as to eradicate any doubt over the matter. In that scenario, it could simply have been reported to Swanson that that had occured, rather than Swanson himself being there personally and registering a a look of "Bummer, it's that fella from the Imperial Club again!" on the countenance of the suspect.
All the best,
Ben
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Originally posted by Ben View PostHi Jeff,
That's only if the witness had positively identified Kosminski, and I don't believe he did, or else he wouldn't have been allowed to get away with refusing to swear to the identification on the grounds that the suspect was a fellow Jew. If Lawende was asked to attend subsequent suspect IDs, it was because the Kosminski ID attempt was not successful.
Cheers,
Ben
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