Witness statement Dismissed-suspect No. 1?

[Wickerman]

I meant he looks like the ripper from his actions...stalking....waiting...spying

These activities witnessed in Hampstead, Chelsea, Hammersmith, the West End, etc. could well be described as suspicious. Here in the East End, where social standards were significantly lower, I wouldn't call it too unusual.
He may have had designs on mugging this Astrachan, but lost interest and wandered away, that doesn't make him Jack the Ripper, just a common criminal or opportunistic thief?

Surely, a man known to accost women in the street is a more likely candidate?

[RockySullivan]

Much the same has been said about Barnett.



How much, you mean today?
As you must know he was cleared of suspicion at the time, but today we can't even find him.



And what does the 'Britannia-man' look like?
Here we have a man who openly accosted women in the street, attempted to entice them down dark alleys, and was certainly seen about Dorset St. on the night in question.

What does the Ripper "really, really, really" look like?

I meant he looks like the ripper from his actions...stalking....waiting...spying

[Wickerman]

I cannot believe Hutch is anything but the prime suspect.

Much the same has been said about Barnett.

He knew kelly, strike 1...he followed kelly and "astrakhan man"....strike 2 (stalking)...he waited outside kelly's house for way too long of a time for anyone in their right mind (strike 3)....how much has hutch been looked into?

How much, you mean today?
As you must know he was cleared of suspicion at the time, but today we can't even find him.

From his account he really really really looks like the ripper

And what does the 'Britannia-man' look like?
Here we have a man who openly accosted women in the street, attempted to entice them down dark alleys, and was certainly seen about Dorset St. on the night in question.

What does the Ripper "really, really, really" look like?

[RockySullivan]

I cannot believe Hutch is anything but the prime suspect. He knew kelly, strike 1...he followed kelly and "astrakhan man"....strike 2 (stalking)...he waited outside kelly's house for way too long of a time for anyone in their right mind (strike 3)....how much has hutch been looked into? From his account he really really really looks like the ripper

[sepiae]

Hi Jon,

thank you ! Yes, I meanwhile came to read something similar into it.

Have a good weekend

[Wickerman]

Hi Sepiae.

This statement you refer to was taken down by Abberline on 9th Nov. while all the witnesses were detained within Millers Court.

For what it's worth, I have always assumed Abberline just momentarily mistook this loiterer for the man outside the Britannia, whom Sarah said was with a female ("talking to a female"?).

We have no indication this loiterer had been in conversation with another passing female, though if he had, the line would not have been struck out.

[sepiae]

'... talking to a female'

Hello everyone, I'm sepiae and quite new here

I'm trying to find something in regards to the deleted line in the original police report after Sarah Lewis had been interviewed [not her testimony at the inquest]. It's repeatedly quoted that Lewis saw a man on the -

'opposite side in Dorset Street (talking to a female [deleted])...'

I haven't yet found comments on the deleted 'talking to a female'.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this, any opinions?
How could it have gotten in the police report in the first place, if it was then deleted, as it's not easy to see how anything could be misunderstood as such words.

Thanks, and I didn't know where else to post this question

Have a great day everyone

[DVV]

"This might explain the present tense of his comment, "where I usually sleep", as betraying his intention to get out of this Victoria Home as soon as possible, and back to his usual dwellings."

Hi Jon,

And thanks. Once quoted, it doesn't need further comments.

Cheers

[Wickerman]

I believe so, Garry.
And in the sentence into which Jon has read too much, he failed to observe that the verb "to sleep" was the only one conjugated in the present.

Seek, and you shall find.

"This might explain the present tense of his comment, "where I usually sleep", as betraying his intention to get out of this Victoria Home as soon as possible, and back to his usual dwellings."

http://forum.casebook.org/showpost.php?p=298167&postcount=588

I know it can be a chore to turn the page

[Fisherman]

Garry Wroe:
As for the referral to 'there' that has so excited Jon and Fish, it is entirely possible that the journalist(s) concerned conducted at least part of the interview over the road in the bar of the Princess Alice. Thus the 'there' would still refer to the Victoria Home, rather than the 'here' which was the place whare Hutchinson was being fed and watered.

So he sat in the bar of the Princess Alice, spoke of "the place where I usually sleep", referring to the Victoria Home..?

Then why did he say that he told a fellow lodger HERE about his story? Was that a man that lodged in the bar of the Princess Alice? Or did Hutchinson pop over to the Victoria Home for five minutes, bringing the reporter with him?

Iīm afraid Hutchinson has locked the Victoria Home and thrown away the key, Garry. No ingenuity and no sudden moves to bars across the road will change that as far as I can see.

... but it is at least good to see that you have come to realize that you need to get Hutchinson out of the Victoria Home before he can speak of it as the place where he used to sleep!

I donīt think we need to make this yet another source of bad feelings between posters. It is too clear and unambiguous to be contested.

All the best,
Fisherman

[Wickerman]

Counter argument to what?, all you offered was an observation.

[Sally]

As a defender of the faith, should we be surprised?

I don't believe in faith Jon.

But I'm certainly not surprised by your comment, it's typical of your response when you don't actually have a counterargument.

[DVV]

I believe so, Garry.
And in the sentence into which Jon has read too much, he failed to observe that the verb "to sleep" was the only one conjugated in the present.

[Garry Wroe]

That's right, Dave.

[DVV]

Hutchinson claimed to have just returned from Romford when he discovered his lodgings to be closed. The Victoria Home aside, I know of no local lodging house that closed its doors in the early hours of the morning. Added to this, Hutchinson claimed to have encountered Kelly as he walked in a northerly direction along Commercial Street. This means that he had just passed the Victoria Home, which as chance would have it was the sole common lodging house on Commercial Street. So what are the chances that the place to which Hutchinson referred was anywhere other than the Victoria Home?

No chance at all.