Hutch Photo

[DVV]

This man is the bane of Ripperology as far as Im concerned, moreso than Packer....because anyone can see Packers motives for lying...a hope he gets some money from it.

Come one, Mike, why the world did that man go to the station on Monday?

Amitiés,
David

This is all quite interesting.....but.....where is the evidence aside from Mr Hutchinson that suggests Mary ever left her room after 11:45pm?

All is well and good to assume this or that about what all prostitutes in Victorian England did with every spare minute of their time.....but it seems fairly clear to me that this woman was not in the habit of working conscientiously and paying her bills with that "whoring" money....and her landlord never says a word that she was nearing eviction....and it was pouring rain outside when her lights go out and the singing stops. And we have a witness who spoke with the woman before she goes out that same evening and says that Mary was despondent over her life on the streets.

So,.....at what time does Mary miraculously realize that she must work that night in the cold hard rain despite her despondency at having to do so at all anytime...and who is it that does anything to corroborate Hutchs claim that he saw Mary outside her room with someone at around 2am?

And really,....isnt this all about someones story who was stated by the police...who took it Monday night....that on Wednesday night it was not believed any longer.

This man is the bane of Ripperology as far as Im concerned, moreso than Packer....because anyone can see Packers motives for lying...a hope he gets some money from it.

Best regards all.

[DVV]

If so, Hutch's behaviour from Friday to Tuesday is a bit like that of a drunken prostitute, I'm afraid.

Amitiés,
David

[jason_c]

Quite David..

And another thing. Hutchinson said that he met Mary, she asked him for 6d, got the negative, and turned and walked away from him. She then met a man coming towards her, and after a short chat, they turned back towards Hutch, and he stooped to look at the man's face.
What I dont get, is IF Mary KNEW Hutchinson, as a friend, why didn't Hutchinson say, for ex, "Mary looked at me and smiled, or winked, or said tatta".. he doesn't mention Mary. Just this man she was with.
Look, what I'm trying to get at is that IF Mary was his good friend of three years, she would have said "night night Hutchinson" as she passed. I'm sure thats normal...isn't it?

best wishes

Phil

Nothing is quite normal behaviour for a drunken prostitute out looking for a trick. This wasnt The Waltons.

[Archaic]

Why Mary Didn't Greet Hutch A 2nd Time While With Astrakhan Man

Hutchinson said that he met Mary, she asked him for 6d, got the negative, and turned and walked away from him. She then met a man coming towards her, and after a short chat, they turned back towards Hutch, and he stooped to look at the man's face.

What I dont get, is IF Mary KNEW Hutchinson, as a friend, why didn't Hutchinson say, for ex, "Mary looked at me and smiled, or winked, or said tatta".. he doesn't mention Mary. Just this man she was with.

Look, what I'm trying to get at is that IF Mary was his good friend of three years, she would have said "night night Hutchinson" as she passed. I'm sure thats normal...isn't it?

Hi, everyone. I don't think it's odd that as Mary came back towards Hutch with Astrakhan Man she didn't say hello again to George in passing.

The reason? She's a PROSTITUTE. This man walking back towards George with her is her CLIENT.

She had already spoken to Hutch, he knew she was a prostitute in need of money, he saw the man "pick her up"-Hutch & Mary both know the drill!

Mary isn't stupid. Why would she smile, wink or speak to Hutch again when she knows full well she'd be running the risk of making her new client
angry by causing him to wonder if Hutch is her boyfriend, her lover or her pimp??

It would be a very foolish business practice on Mary's part to smile and speak to ANY other men on the street once she has her client
in tow.

Instead, she's going to give her client ALL her attention and hope it pays off.

George understood this.

Best Regards & Merry Christmas everybody, Archaic

[Garry Wroe]

Mr Astrakhan sports only a "slight moustache" in the police statement.The only suspect with a "full moustache" is Blotchy.

You spotted the deliberate mistake, Dave!

Have a happy Christmas.

Garry Wroe.

[DVV]

Quite David..

And another thing. Hutchinson said that he met Mary, she asked him for 6d, got the negative, and turned and walked away from him. She then met a man coming towards her, and after a short chat, they turned back towards Hutch, and he stooped to look at the man's face.
What I dont get, is IF Mary KNEW Hutchinson, as a friend, why didn't Hutchinson say, for ex, "Mary looked at me and smiled, or winked, or said tatta".. he doesn't mention Mary. Just this man she was with.
Look, what I'm trying to get at is that IF Mary was his good friend of three years, she would have said "night night Hutchinson" as she passed. I'm sure thats normal...isn't it?

best wishes

Phil

Hi Phil,

and the only person in the VH who knew Mary for 3 years and used to give her money at times is...?

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

Hi Phil and Garry,

in fact, Mr Astrakhan sports only a "slight moustache" in the police statement.
The only suspect with a "full moustache" is Blotchy.

Bonnes fêtes,
David

[Phil Carter]

I am trying to do another version of this pic atm... hopefully will be able to set it up

if not..

Merry Xmas all

Phil

[Garry Wroe]

the bowler is a problem, at least for those who, like me, think that Hutch was Lewis' man.
Perhaps the artist hadn't seen Hutch, or wasn't even provided with an accurate description.

Not really a problem, Dave. Hutchinson was certainly interviewed at the Victoria Home on Tuesday, 13 November (the day after his police interrogation) and possibly again on the Wednesday. I don’t think it unreasonable to suppose that this ‘man of military bearing’ might have dressed up for the occasion, wearing his Sunday best bowler or billycock hat, and that this was the image captured by an attendant sketch artist. Of course, it is even possible that the hat depicted in the sketch is indeed a wideawake.

Because that means, literally, good people lke Garry have been sitting for 25 years staring at Jack the Ripper, right under his nose, and indeed of us all, the whole time.

The thought had occurred to me, Phil.

As regards the one of Hutch.... the white above the lips indicates skin... maybe?

Again, Phil, it’s very difficult to tell.

And Jack seems to have a very full moustache...

That’s exactly as Hutchinson described him. The reality, however, is that the Jewish-looking suspect wasn’t ‘Jack’. Rather, he was simply a figment of Hutchinson’s imagination.

All the best.

Garry Wroe.

[Phil Carter]

And Jack seems to have a very full moustache...

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Many thanks Garry... oh I don't know... there seems to be some things there..

the image of "Mary" with a splodge of ink on her cheek... or a spot/mole?

and look behind the face of Jack.... in white.... is that a person?

As regards the one of Hutch.... the white above the lips indicates skin... maybe?

best wishes and MANY thanks...

Phil

[Garry Wroe]

As I said, Phil, there wasn't much to play with, but here's the Kelly image:-



And Hutchinson:-



You could, if you like, try right-clicking the images and saving them to your own computer. Doubtless you'll be able to improve on my efforts.

All the best.

Garry Wroe.

[DVV]

Anyone knows if there is a sketch of Hutch in the Illustrated Police News?
There is Mr Astrakhan, so perhaps Hutch isn't far.
I have only what seems a part of the sketch, showing Astrakhan alone, in Glenn Anderson's book.

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Garry,

Many thanks for your efforts and given with the seasons greetings to you.

best wishes

Phil