Hutch in the 1911 Census?

[Debra A]

Hi Ben,
In theory, I should be able to throw up the signature of 'ticker nicker' George of Cottage Grove on here for camparison too, and maybe end my wondering about him once and for all, as he didn't die until 1925 and should be on the 1911 somewhere. Trouble is I haven't managed to locate him yet!

Hi Sam,
The H in Hutchinson is very distinctive and almost identical in both signatures.

[jmenges]

I'm on the fence (ha ha) as to whether they are a match as well. The "H" looks somewhat similar, but as has been stated, most "H"'s (even at the top of the report designating the division) have a similar flourish.

What leads us to believe that GH signed the first page, and not page 2 and 3, which appear to have been by the same hand?

JM

[Sam Flynn]

The other "possibles"...

Here are the signatures of the other possible GH's I've found, starting with the police statement for comparison...

1. Statement


2. Cabinet maker, born Shoreditch 1855


3. GPO telegraph overseer, born New Romney (Kent) 1863


4. Manager, waterproof clothing factory, born Gravesend 1865


5. Insurance clerk, born Islington 1860


6. Our man in Lambeth, as at the top of the thread


7. George HutchISon [NB: not "Hutchinson"] Boot maker, born London 1865


...this latter is arguably pretty close too, were it not for the definite "Hutchison" spelling compared to the clear "HutchINson" spelling in the police statement signature.

For info, I haven't yet found "Toppy" anywhere, as far as I can tell.

[jmenges]

And, the context of the signature on page 3, being a list of witnesses to the document, seems a more sensible place for George to have signed.

Edit- posts crosses with Gareth. I can put up all four GH signatures (front page + the 3) on the statement if needed.

JM

[Debra A]

Sam,
Good work with these, but just following on from what Jm said, would it be better to post all 3 signatures from the police statement as there are differences in the 3.
thanks

[Sam Flynn]

And, the context of the signature on page 3, being a list of witnesses to the document, seems a more sensible place for George to have signed.

I agree, Jon - but that one, flourished "H" notwithstanding (it's smudged on page 3), I find rather similar to the sig on the first page.

[Sam Flynn]

just following on from what Jm said, would it be better to post all 3 signatures from the police statement as there are differences in the 3.

Here ya go, Debs.

Page 1


Page 2


Page 3


The only real difference I perceive is in the curlicued "H" on page 1.

[Debra A]

Cheers Sam!
I will have to copy and paste all these sigs onto one big sheet now cos we've started another page here.

[jmenges]

I agree, Jon - but that one, flourished "H" notwithstanding (it's smudged on page 3), I find rather similar to the sig on the first page.

Me too.

Thanks,

JM

[Debra A]

For info, I haven't yet found "Toppy" anywhere, as far as I can tell.

Sam, I have him definitely, let me fire up paint shop so I can cut out his sig and I'll post it asap.

[Debra A]

1911 Signature for George William topping Hutchinson, plumber



Transcript of family entry, just to check it's the right guy

HUTCHINSON SEN, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED 13 M 41 PLUMBER SURREY NORWOOD
HUTCHINSON, FLORENCE WIFE MARRIED 13 F 33 LONDON POPLAR
HUTCHINSON, GEORGE SON M 12 SCHOOL LODNON WESTMINSTER
HUTCHINSON, ALBERT SON M 11 LONDON WESTMINSTER
HUTCHINSON, FLORENCE DAUGHTER F 7 LONDON MILE END
HUTCHINSON, WILLIAM SON M 4 ESSEX STRATFORD
HUTCHINSON, CLARAH DAUGHTER F 2 LONDON BETHNAL GREEN
HUTCHINSON, LEONARD SON M 5 LONDON BETHNAL GREEN
BARNES, JOHN BOARDER SINGLE M 24 LABOURER LONDON HACKNEY


14 TUSCAN ST BETHNAL GREEN

[Ben]

That's the one, Debs. Ta for that.

The distinctive feature of Toppy's signature is the horizontal middle part of the capital "H" which joins immediately onto the upper part of the small "u" which is quite different to all three statement signatures where the letter's are joined from the bottom. Note also that all three statement signatures are characterized by an unusually short "t" and an unusually tall "h". On Toppy's signature, the opposite occurs, with the "t" being taller.

The anti-clockwise tail on the last "n" may also be a distinctive Toppyism.

Sue Ironmonger I ain't, but I can sort of see her point.

Best regards,
Ben

[Neal Shelden]

Neal, was that the printer's assistant? I got it up on the LDS site - quicker than Ancestry. I was hoping to find him in the army, or as a groom, but he seems to have had a career confined to newspapers and ironmongers.

That's the one Robert.

My feeling is that George Hutchinson of 1888 fame may not have been called George Hutchinson??? Maybe George was a middle name???

[Marlowe]

Perhaps his "military appearance" came courtesy of the Training Ship Exmouth. George Hutchinson, Mile End.

[Robert]

If so, Neal, you can bet your life it will be "William" or "Albert."

Couldn't this case for once be kind and give us "Endeavour George Hutchinson"?