Blimey Lechmere, you do come out with a load of bollocks !
How can you possibly say this ? It is evident that our knowledge of all
the Ripper suspects is sketchy to a greater or lesser extent, involves speculation, and will be difficult to prove. Toppy on the other hand was a person who has descendants who obviously hold some information on him, which they're not communicating to us now -but I hope will one day come into the public domain. I expect that we will one day know if Toppy was ever a groom, if he was ever in the army, when he took up plumbing, where he lived in 1888, and if Reg was ever on the radio. In the meantime, despite
a superficial similarity between the signatures, they have been judged to be
not the same by Sue Iremonger..I am astonished that you feel able to have such confidence in your ability to judge with your naked eye that you feel able to override her professional opinion. You have gob smacking arrogance.
I will say the same about your dismissals of Garry Wroe's extensive research
after a couple of hours googling.
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Only in your opinion. I expect that when the British Empire was desperate to find enough cannon fodder to keep the colonies under control, they weren't so bothered in selecting recruits to match some decorative engravings.
You are confusing Hutch with a 1960s Air Hostess ?
Amazing ! Newspaper sketches at the time were extremely good likenesses.
Hutch was talking directly to the press, so why they wouldn't draw him from life, I don't know. The sketch is anything but indistinct, and is clearly notjust "representational". I don't know how you find the nerve to make such a sweeping assertion.
How an earth would you know ? I have been a sheep farmer, and by the same light one could say that 'anyone' could be a shepherd. The truth of course is that no one would be able to the job without learning it and having practical experience. Of course Hutch could have just learned if he were born
and brought up with horses (which is not Toppy's case), otherwise he probably started work as a young boy...as most grooms did at the time.
Poor Toppy ! -sucessfully self employed, 'rarely if ever out of work'..and
relegated to the ranks of 'bodging plumber' now !
Out of curiosity -what is your job, Lechmere ?
I would say that proposing of provenance for Hutchinson as Toppy should require no more weight of evidence than coming up with a Ripper suspect (eg Hutchinson). You should use the same benchmarks.
the Ripper suspects is sketchy to a greater or lesser extent, involves speculation, and will be difficult to prove. Toppy on the other hand was a person who has descendants who obviously hold some information on him, which they're not communicating to us now -but I hope will one day come into the public domain. I expect that we will one day know if Toppy was ever a groom, if he was ever in the army, when he took up plumbing, where he lived in 1888, and if Reg was ever on the radio. In the meantime, despite
a superficial similarity between the signatures, they have been judged to be
not the same by Sue Iremonger..I am astonished that you feel able to have such confidence in your ability to judge with your naked eye that you feel able to override her professional opinion. You have gob smacking arrogance.
I will say the same about your dismissals of Garry Wroe's extensive research
after a couple of hours googling.
The phrase military bearing had a meaning – and that was tall, erect and slim.
Only in your opinion. I expect that when the British Empire was desperate to find enough cannon fodder to keep the colonies under control, they weren't so bothered in selecting recruits to match some decorative engravings.
You are confusing Hutch with a 1960s Air Hostess ?
The sketch of Hutchinson with a bowler type hat and a moon face was a very indistinct and almost certainly not done from life. The good likenesses were drawn at inquests and so forth. The sketch (from Penny Illustrated?) is clearly just representational.
Hutch was talking directly to the press, so why they wouldn't draw him from life, I don't know. The sketch is anything but indistinct, and is clearly notjust "representational". I don't know how you find the nerve to make such a sweeping assertion.
there isn’t that much to being a groom, and it is the sort of thing he could have readily learnt by a number of means.
and brought up with horses (which is not Toppy's case), otherwise he probably started work as a young boy...as most grooms did at the time.
Archaic came up with some interesting further proof that bodging plumbers long proliferated after 1891, which common sense told us anyway.
relegated to the ranks of 'bodging plumber' now !
Out of curiosity -what is your job, Lechmere ?
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