What would it take?

[John G]

How about footage from a security camera?

Those images are generally so grainy I'm not sure I'd even recognize myself!

[curious4]

notorized?

Well of course!

[GUT]

Well of course!

That's good let's a Notorary make a buck.

[GUT]

Those images are generally so grainy I'm not sure I'd even recognize myself!

Pretty useless aren't they?

[John G]

Pretty useless aren't they?

Whenever I've seen images depicted on "Crimewatch" I've thought, "well that must narrow it down to about a million similar looking individuals!"

[Mayerling]

I think there is still hope(very small however) that it can be solved-to at least a consensus anyway.

I think its going to take a descendent /family member to find some evidence left behind by the killer(written confession/diary etc,, knife, trophies, newspaper clippings from the time etc.)that can be tested, dated and verified, Possibly anecdotal stories,and a suspect who's background jibes with the known facts. and probably needing to be a known suspect, or at least witness, who was already tied to the case. without a far fetched motive.

Probably NOT coming from any missing/found police files, or secret special branch files, or found reminiscence of a retired police officer.

Possibly, but the item has to be proven genuine. After all, we have the reality of the "Maybrick Diary" to show the pitfalls of this.

Jeff

[Mayerling]

Whenever I've seen images depicted on "Crimewatch" I've thought, "well that must narrow it down to about a million similar looking individuals!"

Amazing how video is useful and useless. If you get an incident clearly on it during the daytime it is excellent. If it is at night on a dark street, or is really showing the preliminaries before the incident or some random actions after the incident it is not useful at all.

[packers stem]

If you get an incident clearly on it during the daytime it is excellent.

yaay,could we please point this out to the anti-maxwell brigade

[GUT]

Whenever I've seen images depicted on "Crimewatch" I've thought, "well that must narrow it down to about a million similar looking individuals!"

Only a million????

[GUT]

Possibly, but the item has to be proven genuine. After all, we have the reality of the "Maybrick Diary" to show the pitfalls of this.

Jeff

That's why I want it notorised

[caz]

Amazing how video is useful and useless. If you get an incident clearly on it during the daytime it is excellent. If it is at night on a dark street, or is really showing the preliminaries before the incident or some random actions after the incident it is not useful at all.

Hi Jeff,

This is a genuine double event from recent years, where the killer, Leigh Thornhill, a teenage former soldier, was caught on CCTV walking along the main London Road in West Croydon in the early hours, looking for a second victim on whom to take out his considerable frustration over a failed strangulation attempt on his first, who was a woman who got money for sex she did not provide (not tonight, maybe some other night?):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1473018/Teenager-gets-life-for-battering-woman-to-death.html

I find all the potential parallels with Stride/Eddowes - er - interesting, to say the least.

If they had had CCTV along a main road near Mitre Square, it's at least possible that Schwartz could have identified the same man who had been manhandling Stride earlier, and Lawende and co could have identified him as the man with Eddowes.

Love,

Caz
X

[Mayerling]

Hi Jeff,

This is a genuine double event from recent years, where the killer, Leigh Thornhill, a teenage former soldier, was caught on CCTV walking along the main London Road in West Croydon in the early hours, looking for a second victim on whom to take out his considerable frustration over a failed strangulation attempt on his first, who was a woman who got money for sex she did not provide (not tonight, maybe some other night?):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1473018/Teenager-gets-life-for-battering-woman-to-death.html

I find all the potential parallels with Stride/Eddowes - er - interesting, to say the least.

If they had had CCTV along a main road near Mitre Square, it's at least possible that Schwartz could have identified the same man who had been manhandling Stride earlier, and Lawende and co could have identified him as the man with Eddowes.

Love,

Caz
X

Hi Caz,

Thanks for bringing this intriguing modern parallel case to my attention. Thornhill's "lack of success" in not having two dead victims like Jack probably did was likely due to sheer luck (the first one passed out but came to and ran off for help - and found some), and that Thornhill did not stab his victims but strangled and beat them to death.

Possibly, if video existed in 1888, such a camera would have been of interest in Mitre Square that night. However, it would have been a gaslit London street at night, so the visibility-sharpness issue raises it's head again.

You caused me to consider the technological possibility here a little. The motion picture camera and motion picture film had to be invented long before we had video cameras. The work of Le Prince, the Lumiere Brothers, and Edison would not gell together properly until the mid 1890s. The only one (in 1888) who was active and might have done something would have been Friese-Greene, who that year reportedly made the first successful motion picture film.

Jeff

[Abby Normal]

Hi Jeff,

This is a genuine double event from recent years, where the killer, Leigh Thornhill, a teenage former soldier, was caught on CCTV walking along the main London Road in West Croydon in the early hours, looking for a second victim on whom to take out his considerable frustration over a failed strangulation attempt on his first, who was a woman who got money for sex she did not provide (not tonight, maybe some other night?):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1473018/Teenager-gets-life-for-battering-woman-to-death.html

I find all the potential parallels with Stride/Eddowes - er - interesting, to say the least.

If they had had CCTV along a main road near Mitre Square, it's at least possible that Schwartz could have identified the same man who had been manhandling Stride earlier, and Lawende and co could have identified him as the man with Eddowes.

Love,

Caz
X

right. a great example of a NON-planned double event. ; )

[Shaggyrand]

Friese-Greene made his second patented motion picture camera in 1888, it was the first to use a single lens. His earlier one used 16. What are considered the oldest surviving "movies" were made in 1888 by Louis Le Prince- Accordion Player, Traffic Crossing Leeds Bridge and Roundhay Garden Scene. Using his own single lens camera (except maybe Leeds Bridge, there is debate he used his 16 lens model.) Le Prince disappeared with almost all his work in 1890.

[Harry D]

Knowing the Ripper, if there was CCTV back in 1888, he'd have the same jammy luck as the Jennifer Kesse suspect.