Francis Spurzheim Craig

[Dane_F]

There is no way what so ever that the authorities will allow anyone to be dug up on the strength of this so the author will then blame the authorities for not allowing him to prove his case ...welcome to shovelgate

I thought I read somewhere that he had already gotten approval and there were just certain steps that had to be taken before exhumation could take place.

[pinkmoon]

There is no way what so ever that the authorities will allow anyone to be dug up on the strength of this so the author will then blame the authorities for not allowing him to prove his case ...welcome to shovelgate

[richardnunweek]

Despite my reservations, I also believe the book will be worth a read, and I would be delighted if the elusive victim of Millers court was discovered, as a result of a exhumation.
Richard.

[Robert]

I think the book will be well worth a read.

[Silverpaw]

Agree. I have my doubts but the theory is intriguing and can't, at present, be dismissed. It has at least shaken things up a bit which isn't a bad thing.

Haha! Yes! Prosector, you are the Jeremy Corbyn of Casebook!

[gnote]

Hi,
We should not forget all the facts, even the circumstantial material we have come across over the years, these have to be allotted to any new theory, Its a great angle for a book , insisting that exhumation will take place, but then add depending on the interest in the book.
I would suggest exhumation first, then write that book when the details are known...
Regards Richard.

If the exhumation takes place and there is no DNA match there is also no book.

At least not one based on the theory presented.

[sdreid]

But even on the circumstantial evidence alone its pretty intriguing.
I would love to see other respected researchers view on this.

Agree. I have my doubts but the theory is intriguing and can't, at present, be dismissed. It has at least shaken things up a bit which isn't a bad thing.

[RockySullivan]

Of course that's not what I did. Please read the book. I am mot in any case saying that t is him, just that it could be. This is based on a number of things: first he was, I believe, working for the East London Advertiser and their reported was definitely in court that day, secondly the ELA reporter

Wynne was sitting about 6 feet from the witness stand (read the report) and thirdly the picture is remarkably similar to that of his father (whose picture is in the book).

Ok do you want to post the photos here for comparison? You believe he was working for the ELA and it could be him? Those aren't very reassuring but it's better than Russell Edwards claims

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
We should not forget all the facts, even the circumstantial material we have come across over the years, these have to be allotted to any new theory, Its a great angle for a book , insisting that exhumation will take place, but then add depending on the interest in the book.
I would suggest exhumation first, then write that book when the details are known...
Regards Richard.

[Abby Normal]

Being skeptical is one thing but I would urge people to chill out on the scathing personal attacks. this is no shawl or Diary fiasco. At the very least we may finally find out who mary Kelly really was. Of course Prosector needs to have her exhumed and do the DNA testing to prove its the real mary Kelly but I believe he is planning on that.

But even on the circumstantial evidence alone its pretty intriguing.
I would love to see other respected researchers view on this.

The truth comes out in the end.

[Prosector]

So what makes you think that drawing is of him? Do you have another photo of him to compare it to? Did you just pick a random person at the inquest and are saying it could be him? If that is your method of reasoning your book is going to be pretty worthless

Of course that's not what I did. Please read the book. I am mot in any case saying that t is him, just that it could be. This is based on a number of things: first he was, I believe, working for the East London Advertiser and their reported was definitely in court that day, secondly the ELA reporter

Wynne was sitting about 6 feet from the witness stand (read the report) and thirdly the picture is remarkably similar to that of his father (whose picture is in the book).

[John Wheat]

your book is going to be pretty worthless

You're not wrong Rocky.

Cheers John

[RockySullivan]

I agree but both Francis and his father were fitness fanatics. Pictures of E T (his father) look at least 20 years younger than his actual age. If I am correct and the Pictorial News picture is of him he looks in his mid thirties rather than 51 (but I admit this is something of a long shot).

Wynne

So what makes you think that drawing is of him? Do you have another photo of him to compare it to? Did you just pick a random person at the inquest and are saying it could be him? If that is your method of reasoning your book is going to be pretty worthless

[Sally]

I agree but both Francis and his father were fitness fanatics. Pictures of E T (his father) look at least 20 years younger than his actual age. If I am correct and the Pictorial News picture is of him he looks in his mid thirties rather than 51 (but I admit this is something of a long shot).

Wynne

Thank you, Wynne, for that interesting information - I look forward to reading your book in due course.

[Disco Stu]

I'm actually surprised that Kelly's remains haven't already been exhumed for a reality show/documentary, etc. It would make for great TV.

I have a question about DNA. Suppose the body could clearly be identified as the Miller's Court victim and DNA from her could be extracted. Nothing else is known to identify her. Could scientists sample people from the population until they got similar profiles and work backward from there to figure out her family and thus ID her?

There's services offered by certain commercial genealogy companies that compare a sample of submitted DNA with a database of other samples that have been submitted for that purpose. If a sample was submitted, familial relationships could be traced. Only people with a familial match would be informed of the match, as far as I know, so the community would have to rely on them coming forward with the information.

So, let's say I've submitted some of my DNA for testing by Ancestors-R-Us. I could end turn up a distant relationship to the author's candidate due to my Weston ancestry. However, even if there's a relationship, there's still no proof that it's on the Weston line, unless other ancestors show up with the same connection, and could be excluded from other lines. The closer the link (eg. sibling vs. cousin vs. 2nd cousin) the easier it would be determine the connection.

Hopefully, in this case the close familial relationship would simplify the situation for the author.