Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

[Jeff Leahy]

A photocopy of the marginalia was given a cursory look at by Dr Richard Totty, Assistant Director of the Home Office Forensic Science Laboratory, in 1988.

The actual marginalia was examined by Dr Christopher Davies of the Metropolitan Police Forensic Science Laboratory, while the book was loaned to Scotland Yard's Crime Museum in 2006.

Dr Davies conducted a second examination in 2012 after several documents and letters written by Swanson were 'rediscovered' by Nevill Swanson while sorting through paperwork, giving an opportunity to compare against a much wider range of sample handwriting.

You might be interested in reading this:

https://www.ripperologist.biz/marginalia.pdf

Best wishes
Adam

Many thanks for that Adam. I wasn't aware that Davis had made a second examination. Very well written article.

I was also curious about the Oral history: "But after he retired in 1903 he did reveal to members of the family that he knew the true identity of Jack the Ripper, but wild horses wouldn’t drag the name out of him”

Do you know the origin of this family history?

Many thanks

Yours Jeff

[pinkmoon]

A photocopy of the marginalia was given a cursory look at by Dr Richard Totty, Assistant Director of the Home Office Forensic Science Laboratory, in 1988.

The actual marginalia was examined by Dr Christopher Davies of the Metropolitan Police Forensic Science Laboratory, while the book was loaned to Scotland Yard's Crime Museum in 2006.

Dr Davies conducted a second examination in 2012 after several documents and letters written by Swanson were 'rediscovered' by Nevill Swanson while sorting through paperwork, giving an opportunity to compare against a much wider range of sample handwriting.

You might be interested in reading this:

https://www.ripperologist.biz/marginalia.pdf

Best wishes
Adam

Thanks for posting this I have already downloaded it and read it certainly makes interesting reading however I am still not convinced I'm highly critical of the Kosminski insert like I said I'm not knocking anyone on here and I respect your research but maybe it's just because I've always been a sceptical person but I do think these margin notes are dubious.many regards to you all jason

[Trevor Marriott]

Thanks for posting this I have already downloaded it and read it certainly makes interesting reading however I am still not convinced I'm highly critical of the Kosminski insert like I said I'm not knocking anyone on here and I respect your research but maybe it's just because I've always been a sceptical person but I do think these margin notes are dubious.many regards to you all jason

Hi
Now you have read that article you might want to read my take on these examinations and how I beleive they are unsafe to rely on
This article form part of the chapter on the topic to be found in "Jack the ripper the secret police files"

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[pinkmoon]

Thank you I shall read

[Trevor Marriott]

Thank you I shall read

Thanks I would urge a few more to do the same it shows that the reports are not as conclusive as some would have us believe. Follow the link

http://www.trevormarriott.co.uk/?page_id=191

[Mr Lucky]

Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

Hello Harry,

This is a ripperology versus reality situation.

The location is unknown, there are no witnesses that fit the description, there is no one in the records who matches the 'Polish Jew' suspect and what Anderson states is in direct contrast to the known workings of the law.

So clearly according to the principles of ripperology there is no need for you or any one else to do anything other than blindly accept what Anderson states as gospel, and there is no need to starting asking awkward questions or encouraging any sort of honest inquiry here at all - it's not like we're trying to solve a mystery or anything!

Just remember the motto of the UK ripperology industry - 'Don't think'

[Jeff Leahy]

Thanks I would urge a few more to do the same it shows that the reports are not as conclusive as some would have us believe. Follow the link

http://www.trevormarriott.co.uk/?page_id=191

The link just goes to your site Trevor

The authenticity has been done to death, and I see know reason to doubt what Adam is saying. Most historical documents are judged on there provenance and clearly a hand writing expert with a large number of samples concluded it was written by Swanson.

So its probably best to move on and accept its genuine. Clearly those who don't like what it says or contains, would never be satisfied that its genuine.

Personally I think the oral history confirms what I've been saying, that Swanson supports Anderson's claims that the identity of the killer was known to police. Thats the two most senior officers working on the case, saying the same thing..

Yours Jeff

[Trevor Marriott]

The link just goes to your site Trevor

The authenticity has been done to death, and I see know reason to doubt what Adam is saying. Most historical documents are judged on there provenance and clearly a hand writing expert with a large number of samples concluded it was written by Swanson.

So its probably best to move on and accept its genuine. Clearly those who don't like what it says or contains, would never be satisfied that its genuine.

Personally I think the oral history confirms what I've been saying, that Swanson supports Anderson's claims that the identity of the killer was known to police. Thats the two most senior officers working on the case, saying the same thing..

Yours Jeff

The link goes to the book and details of how it can be purchased

[Jeff Leahy]

The link goes to the book and details of how it can be purchased

Damn I've gone and lost my wallet

Yours Jeff

[Monty]

So youve conducted tests, or rather had tests conducted, upon the marginalia Trevor?

Monty

[Monty]

Hello Harry,

This is a ripperology versus reality situation.

The location is unknown, there are no witnesses that fit the description, there is no one in the records who matches the 'Polish Jew' suspect and what Anderson states is in direct contrast to the known workings of the law.

So clearly according to the principles of ripperology there is no need for you or any one else to do anything other than blindly accept what Anderson states as gospel, and there is no need to starting asking awkward questions or encouraging any sort of honest inquiry here at all - it's not like we're trying to solve a mystery or anything!

Just remember the motto of the UK ripperology industry - 'Don't think'

Ah, so unknown location + unknown suspect ÷ unknown date = fiction.

The legal processes, I suspect, would not have been a priority at that stage. I cite Harding, Dilnott, Booth etc.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

So youve conducted tests, or rather had tests conducted, upon the marginalia Trevor?

Monty

No need to, just need to cast a doubt about the tests that were conducted and how they were conducted. I am happy to suggest that there is not just a doubt but a major doubt about relying on them as conclusive proof.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Monty]

No need to, just need to cast a doubt about the tests that were conducted and how they were conducted. I am happy to suggest that there is not just a doubt but a major doubt about relying on them as conclusive proof.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Why do you have the need to cast doubt?

I assume you hold precise knowledge on the process of document testing, yes?

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Why do you have the need to cast doubt?

I assume you hold precise knowledge on the process of document testing, yes?

Monty

Enough to cast a doubt, but then again seeing as this article in my book has been in the public domain for several years now it just goes to show how many so called ripper experts take the trouble to actually purchase some of the books published by authors.

Yet they still seem to want to pass judgment when issue are raised from then on here, funny that is

[Monty]

Enough to cast a doubt, but then again seeing as this article in my book has been in the public domain for several years now it just goes to show how many so called ripper experts take the trouble to actually purchase some of the books published by authors.

Yet they still seem to want to pass judgment when issue are raised from then on here, funny that is

I pass no judgement.

Your record on the subject is questionable, and also in the public domain. Which is why I sought clarification.

Monty