Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby

Hi Trevor
The only thing that's "cuckoo" is yours , Simon woods, and Phil Carter's obvious jeoulosy of such stalwarts of ripper history as Paul Begg , Stewart Evans and others that it is so apparent that even noobs such as myself can see.

Take it for what it's worth-grow up, take a deep breath, stand on the shoulders of giants such as your esteemed countryman, and greatest thinker of all time, Isaac newton did, work with them instead of antagonize them and we may all be the wiser.

[Wickerman]

Modern day police experts are not experts when dealing with Victorian police procedure.

Monty

If Trevor needs some help with Victorian Police procedures, I can think of an excellent book he could buy....

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor
The only thing that's "cuckoo" is yours , Simon woods, and Phil Carter's obvious jeoulosy of such stalwarts of ripper history as Paul Begg , Stewart Evans and others that it is so apparent that even noobs such as myself can see.

Take it for what it's worth-grow up, take a deep breath, stand on the shoulders of giants such as your esteemed countryman, and greatest thinker of all time, Isaac newton did, work with them instead of antagonize them and we may all be the wiser.

And look what happend to Newton he got hit on the head with one of Granny Smiths apples and was never the same again !

Speaking about giants remember the stories of David and Goliath and Jack the Giant killer those giants didn't fair to well did they. The same fate could happen to those who are regarded as modern day giants.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[harry]

It may be that Kosminski was taken to the seaside home by other than police officers,but it is reasonable to assume that police officers would be in attendance at the identification.An arrest could be made.

Now amateurs such as myself should not perhaps challenge the experts,but being that they have tried for over 120 years to solve a puzzle,we can do no worse.

We may not be familiar with Victorian police proceedures,but it needs little knowledge to understand that even then, a police officer could arrest on reasonable suspicion,or that,if high police officials are truthfull,reasonable suspicion existed at the seaside home identification.

It's not Trevor that needs to read books.

[Phil Carter]

Hi Trevor
The only thing that's "cuckoo" is yours , Simon woods, and Phil Carter's obvious jeoulosy of such stalwarts of ripper history as Paul Begg , Stewart Evans and others that it is so apparent that even noobs such as myself can see.

excuse me?

first of all..you had better get your facts right.

1) I am not jealous..nor envious for that matter of anybody.
2) Throwing personal insult isn't the done thing on these boards and is against the rules.
3) Simon Wood has been publically involved in Ripper research far longer than many..most others..in fact..I believe I am correct in saying well before Mr Begg started. I myself started privately researching in the mid 1970's..having had an interest since the mid to late 1960's.

I would appreciate it if you witheld such false comment and personal opinion in future.

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

If Trevor needs some help with Victorian Police procedures, I can think of an excellent book he could buy....

I dont need to read books I think my knowledge of Victorian police methods is good. After all it helped remove Tumblety from the list of prime suspects

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Monty]

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We may not be familiar with Victorian police proceedures....

Speak for yourself. Harry.

Monty

[Monty]

I dont need to read books I think my knowledge of Victorian police methods is good. After all it helped remove Tumblety from the list of prime suspects

As you erred so spectacularly on the Special Branch ledgers, and cited out of date, by 31 years, Police Code information to support this very subject, I can only advise that your knowledge needs refreshing.

Monty

[Batman]

He probably came to their attention eating out of the gutter.

[John G]

excuse me?

first of all..you had better get your facts right.

1) I am not jealous..nor envious for that matter of anybody.
2) Throwing personal insult isn't the done thing on these boards and is against the rules.
3) Simon Wood has been publically involved in Ripper research far longer than many..most others..in fact..I believe I am correct in saying well before Mr Begg started. I myself started privately researching in the mid 1970's..having had an interest since the mid to late 1960's.

I would appreciate it if you witheld such false comment and personal opinion in future.

Phil

Hello Phil,

I completely agree with this post. Robust discussion is fine, but resorting to personal insults is simply childish. However, it seems to be habitual behaviour with one or two posters.

[PaulB]

It may be that Kosminski was taken to the seaside home by other than police officers,but it is reasonable to assume that police officers would be in attendance at the identification.An arrest could be made.

Now amateurs such as myself should not perhaps challenge the experts,but being that they have tried for over 120 years to solve a puzzle,we can do no worse.

We may not be familiar with Victorian police proceedures,but it needs little knowledge to understand that even then, a police officer could arrest on reasonable suspicion,or that,if high police officials are truthfull,reasonable suspicion existed at the seaside home identification.

It's not Trevor that needs to read books.

Harry
Nobody has said that an arrest couldn't have been made, so who are you arguing against.

The fact is that an arrest doesn't appear to have been made, so the question is; why? You, Trevor, and one or two others think the absence of an arrest indicates that the iD never took place. Others see the ramifications of that as too ridiculous to be probable and seek explanations elsewhere, such as proposing confusion with Sadler or something similar. Still others, such as myself, try to research the topic and hopefully turn something up somewhere that will tell us or at least indicate what really did happen. For that you perhps do need a knowledge and understanding of Victorian police proceedure, or at least have a friendly Monty one can ask.

[PaulB]

Hello Phil,

I completely agree with this post. Robust discussion is fine, but resorting to personal insults is simply childish. However, it seems to be habitual behaviour with one or two posters.

John,
What exactly was rude in what Abby wrote? To describe Trevor's thinking as cuckoo was pretty mild. She said that she thought Simon and Phil were jealous or envious of people like Stewart and myself, which they of course deny but that doesn't mean it's not something Abby genuinely perceived.

Abby sid nothing about how long we've all be researching the subject. That's something Phil created out of the ether.

And Abby drew attention to the standing on the shoulders of giants analogy with regard to the likes of Stewart and myself and urged Trevor to try working with us.

Hardly rude or insulting.

[Trevor Marriott]

As you erred so spectacularly on the Special Branch ledgers, and cited out of date, by 31 years, Police Code information to support this very subject, I can only advise that your knowledge needs refreshing.

Monty

It was suitably refreshed enough to achieve the final objectives, and if I need to I will suitably refresh it yet again but thank you for advice

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Monty]

It was suitably refreshed enough to achieve the final objectives, and if I need to I will suitably refresh it yet again but thank you for advice

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

If the objectives were to be erroneous, yes, well done.

Monty
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[Trevor Marriott]

If the objectives were to be erroneous, yes, well done.

Monty
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Thank you I will put you back on my xmas card list