The BIG Poll

[Abby Normal]

Fair enough, Herlock, although I thought you responded to some of Richard's lengthy posts with a terse one-liner about them being more 'nonsense' created by AI. If there has been any direct discussion between the two of you since then I think I must have missed it. I've seen him responding directly to various other posters who have issues with his stated facts and reasoning, so why do you suppose he has not extended the same courtesy to you?

Love,

Caz
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because he knows hes wrong and herlocks right?

[Enigma]

18 voters so far. I was hoping for more but obviously everyone is free to vote or not. I said November 25 as the final day but if no one else is going to vote I’ll give it another week.

There are 99 active members, so 18% of us have voted which is probably about on par with previous polls.

[Barnaby]

1. Jacob Levy
2. Aaron Kosminski
3. Nathan Kaminski/David Cohen
4. Charles Lechmere
5. James Kelly
6. Hyam Hyams
7. Francis Thompson

[Herlock Sholmes]

1. Jacob Levy
2. Aaron Kosminski
3. Nathan Kaminski/David Cohen
4. Charles Lechmere
5. James Kelly
6. Hyam Hyams
7. Francis Thompson

Cheers Barnaby

[Herlock Sholmes]

Leather Apron (not Pizer)

Sorry Scott, I missed this. Now added.

[Herlock Sholmes]

We have had 20 posters voting.


Results


1. Bury - 69
2. Anderson’s suspect (generic) - 49
3. Kelly - 49
4. Levy - 33
5. Cutbush - 31
6. Chapman - 31
7. Druitt - 18
8. Cohen - 15
9. Kosminski - 13
10. Lawende’s man - 13
11. BS man - 11
12. Hutchinson - 10
13. Blotchy man - 8
14. The Bethnal Green Botherer - 8
15. Kosminski (not Aaron) - 7
16. Leather Apron (not Pizer) - 7
17. Pipeman - 7
18. Gull - 7
19. Tomkins - 6
20. GCS Lechmere - 6
21. Bachert - 6
22. Sagar’s suspect - 6
23. Hyams - 6
24. Henry Cox’s suspect - 5
25. Wentworth Bell-Smith - 5
26. Hanslope - 5
27. Astrakhan man - 5
28. Sarah Lewis’s man (someone other than Hutchinson)
29. Richardson - 4
30. Deeming - 4
31. Wainwright - 4
32. Lechmere - 4
33. Buckley - 3
34. Barnett - 3
35. Mann - 3
36. One of the gang that attacked Emma Smith - 3
37. Hardiman - 3
38. Le Grand - 3
39. Silverman - 3
40. An unnamed client of Mary Kelly’s - 2
41. Thompson - 3
42. Grainger - 1
43. Henry Maxwell - 1
44. R. O’D. Stephenson - 1
45. Deeming - 1
46. Swyer - 1
47. Moross - 1
48. Butcher/Horse Slaughterer - 1


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With Anderson’s suspects combined as one


1. Anderson’s suspect (generic) - 84
2. Bury - 69
3. Kelly - 49
4. Levy - 33
5. Cutbush - 31
6. Chapman - 31
7. Druitt - 18
8. Lawende’s man - 13
9. BS man - 11
10. Hutchinson - 10
11. Blotchy man - 8
12. The Bethnal Green Botherer - 8
13. Leather Apron (not Pizer) - 7
14. Pipeman - 7
15. Gull - 7
16. Tomkins - 6
17. GCS Lechmere - 6
18. Bachert - 6
19. Sagar’s suspect - 6
20. Hyams - 6
21. Henry Cox’s suspect - 5
22. Wentworth Bell-Smith - 5
23. Hanslope - 5
24. Astrakhan man - 5
25. Sarah Lewis’s man (someone other than Hutchinson)
26. Richardson - 4
27. Deeming - 4
28. Wainwright - 4
29. Lechmere - 4
30. Buckley - 3
31. Barnett - 3
32. Mann - 3
33. One of the gang that attacked Emma Smith - 3
34. Hardiman - 3
35. Le Grand - 3
36. Silverman - 3
37. An unnamed client of Mary Kelly’s - 2
38. Thompson - 3
39. Grainger - 1
40. Henry Maxwell - 1
41. R. O’D. Stephenson - 1
42. Deeming - 1
43. Swyer - 1
44. Moross - 1
45. Butcher/ Horse Slaughterer - 1


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The top twenty from the poll with the scores added from Rating the Suspects Thread



1. Bury - 79
2. Kelly - 62
3. Anderson’s suspect (generic) - 57
4. Chapman - 44
5. Levy - 39
6. Cutbush - 31
7. Druitt - 24
8. Cohen - 23
9. Kosminski - 21
10. Lawende’s man - 13
11. GCS Lechmere - 13
12. BS man - 11
13. Gull - 11
14. Hutchinson - 10
15. Blotchy man - 8
16. The Bethnal Green Botherer - 8
17. Kosminski (not Aaron) - 7
18. Leather Apron (not Pizer) - 7
19. Pipeman - 7
20. Tomkins - 6

[Pcdunn]

Interesting stats, Herlock. I continue to see names new to me, or ones I need to refresh myself about.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Interesting stats, Herlock. I continue to see names new to me, or ones I need to refresh myself about.

There are definitely some new/lesser known suspects on there, largely thanks to The Rookie Detective’

This is about Swyer.

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...oviso#post6806

Silverman had a Chandler’s shop in Fashion Street I believe and ended up insane but I know nothing more at this point.

I don’t know who Moross is I’m afraid. I’ll have to find out though.

Some info on Hanslope here from RD

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...488#post861488

[Lewis C]

Hi Herlock,

Deeming is listed twice. On the top poll, he's at #30 and #45. On the 2nd poll, he's at #27 and #42.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

Deeming is listed twice. On the top poll, he's at #30 and #45. On the 2nd poll, he's at #27 and #42.

Yes, I thought I’d add a deliberate mistake to see who is paying attention.


I also just noticed that I hadn’t put the votes on for Sarah Lewis”s man.


1. Bury - 69
2. Anderson’s suspect (generic) - 49
3. Kelly - 49
4. Levy - 33
5. Cutbush - 31
6. Chapman - 31
7. Druitt - 18
8. Cohen - 15
9. Kosminski - 13
10. Lawende’s man - 13
11. BS man - 11
12. Hutchinson - 10
13. Blotchy man - 8
14. The Bethnal Green Botherer - 8
15. Kosminski (not Aaron) - 7
16. Leather Apron (not Pizer) - 7
17. Pipeman - 7
18. Gull - 7
19. Tomkins - 6
20. GCS Lechmere - 6
21. Bachert - 6
22. Sagar’s suspect - 6
23. Hyams - 6
24. Henry Cox’s suspect - 5
25. Wentworth Bell-Smith - 5
26. Hanslope - 5
27. Astrakhan man - 5
28. Sarah Lewis’s man (someone other than Hutchinson) - 5
29. Deeming - 5
30. Richardson - 4
31. Wainwright - 4
32. Lechmere - 4
33. Buckley - 3
34. Barnett - 3
35. Mann - 3
36. One of the gang that attacked Emma Smith - 3
37. Hardiman - 3
38. Le Grand - 3
39. Silverman - 3
40. An unnamed client of Mary Kelly’s - 2
41. Thompson - 3
42. Grainger - 1
43. Henry Maxwell - 1
44. R. O’D. Stephenson - 1
45. Deeming - 1
46. Swyer - 1
47. Moross - 1
48. Butcher/Horse Slaughterer - 1


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With Anderson’s suspects combined as one


1. Anderson’s suspect (generic) - 84
2. Bury - 69
3. Kelly - 49
4. Levy - 33
5. Cutbush - 31
6. Chapman - 31
7. Druitt - 18
8. Lawende’s man - 13
9. BS man - 11
10. Hutchinson - 10
11. Blotchy man - 8
12. The Bethnal Green Botherer - 8
13. Leather Apron (not Pizer) - 7
14. Pipeman - 7
15. Gull - 7
16. Tomkins - 6
17. GCS Lechmere - 6
18. Bachert - 6
19. Sagar’s suspect - 6
20. Hyams - 6
21. Henry Cox’s suspect - 5
22. Wentworth Bell-Smith - 5
23. Hanslope - 5
24. Astrakhan man - 5
25. Sarah Lewis’s man (someone other than Hutchinson) - 5
26. Deeming - 5
27. Richardson - 4
28. Wainwright - 4
29. Lechmere - 4
30. Buckley - 3
31. Barnett - 3
32. Mann - 3
33. One of the gang that attacked Emma Smith - 3
34. Hardiman - 3
35. Le Grand - 3
36. Silverman - 3
37. An unnamed client of Mary Kelly’s - 2
38. Thompson - 3
39. Grainger - 1
40. Henry Maxwell - 1
41. R. O’D. Stephenson - 1
42. Deeming - 1
43. Swyer - 1
44. Moross - 1
45. Butcher/ Horse Slaughterer -

[The Rookie Detective]

Its important for me to say that the research regarding Hanslope is NOT mine.

Debra, Belloc, and the late Mr Chris Scott were the ones who really brought Hanslope into the fray.

Literally everything I know about Hanslope has come from either Debra, Belloc, or Chris Scott.

The only slight possible piece of data that I think I may have found myself, was the newspaper reference to Hanslope; as a teenager, being an actor, and playing and winning an award for his public recital of the antagonist Jew Shylock from The Merchant of Venice, and the fact that a tall gentile like Hanslope (he was nearly 6ft) was able to portray a Jewish money lender wanting his pound of flesh etc..
... but knowing the high calibre of the 3 individuals named above, I may be wrong about that too.
If I'm wrong, then I apologise unreservedly to Debra and Belloc.

If anyone wants to know more about Hanslope, then Debra is the authority on him (with Belloc too)


Marks Silverman on the other hand; I did find myself.

A very enigmatic character to say the least.

[The Rookie Detective]

There are definitely some new/lesser known suspects on there, largely thanks to The Rookie Detective’

This is about Swyer.

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...oviso#post6806

Silverman had a Chandler’s shop in Fashion Street I believe and ended up insane but I know nothing more at this point.

I don’t know who Moross is I’m afraid. I’ll have to find out though.

Some info on Hanslope here from RD

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...488#post861488

Moross was a Jewish (anglicised) entrepreneur and charlatan who claimed to provide "electrical" therapy.

Moross then used his contraptions to sexually assault several women over a period of time.

He also had a close association at one time with Dr Swyer

Moross was also a mysoginist and had a penchant for beating his wife up and their divorce settlement papers are extensive, as well as absolutely fascinating.

Their divorce became known as "Moross vs Moross" and is well worth a look.

There's too much to go into on this thread, but at some point I will aim to start a thread concerning Moross.

He has been mentioned before in relation to Dr Swyer, but hasn't had his own spot in the limelight as of yet (as far as I'm aware)


Fascinating rouge of a man

[Herlock Sholmes]

Moross was a Jewish (anglicised) entrepreneur and charlatan who claimed to provide "electrical" therapy.

Moross then used his contraptions to sexually assault several women over a period of time.

He also had a close association at one time with Dr Swyer

Moross was also a mysoginist and had a penchant for beating his wife up and their divorce settlement papers are extensive, as well as absolutely fascinating.

Their divorce became known as "Moross vs Moross" and is well worth a look.

There's too much to go into on this thread, but at some point I will aim to start a thread concerning Moross.

He has been mentioned before in relation to Dr Swyer, but hasn't had his own spot in the limelight as of yet (as far as I'm aware)


Fascinating rouge of a man

Thanks Chris, I couldn’t recall reading anything about Moross although I may have just forgotten having done so. There’s no reason why you couldn’t start threads in the suspects section on the ones that you mentioned as they are certainly lesser known. Maybe additional research might throw up some additional snippets.

[Kunochan]

Did I miss the poll? Is it too late?

1. Chapman
2. Tumblety
3. Bury
4. Barnett
5. Feigenbaum
6. Levy
7. Szemeredy

This is my serious list. Of course, my number one suspect for Jack the Ripper is... Jack the Ripper. I wonder why he doesn't get mentioned more often.