Profiling Questionnaire: "Cold Blooded or Not" "Criminal or Not"

[Herlock Sholmes]

According to the diary ‘Maybrick’ found a willing victim (Eddowes) less than 15 minutes after killing Stride. So, from his own pen (actually from the forger’s but hey…) he ran into Catherine Eddowes at around 1.10. Naturally this point is ignored or some dismissive excuse is made. It’s a wonder that there’s enough space under the carpet to allow more ‘points against’ to be brushed under it.

[Paddy Goose]

I too believe JtR's cohorts took care of him.

Interesting and thanks you, Lombro2.

Your Questionnaire got me thinking off in several directions.

p:s to Sherlock. I am confused. This is not a Diary thread. Are you suggesting this is a "stealth" Diary thread by Lombro2? You actually broached that idea in your post #3 of this thread. Because quite honestly, I have followed briefly on the recent Diary threads and Lombro2's posts there are to me quite esoteric and don't give me a clue of his opinion pro or con. Whereas this thread seemed more accessible to me so I engaged. Again, clarification please.

Or maybe I should ask Lombro2 outright - is this a "stealth" Diary thread? If so, I've been had. What a sucker I am. Not half as bad as the drunk bloke tossed in the river, though, whew.

But if this is a stealth Diary thread, it means you Lombro2 believe James Maybrick's "cohorts" poisoned him, resulting in his death.

But Lombro2 Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease tell me this is not a stealth Diary thread as Hurley suggests. Please - I'm Wishing and Hopin' just like the beautiful Dusty did live on TV!

[Lombro2]

I’m a suspect theorist so I work based on a suspect theory. Everything then is 20-20 hindsight that way or reverse-engineering. I just don’t shove my opinion down people’s throats or nitpick over 15 minutes versus 40 minutes in what I think could be a confession.

I find it’s better to talk to people like me who have a suspect, or at least a working suspect. They are more relaxed if they’re confident in their solution. They deal with the human side of things versus “evidentiary” and don’t usually bother helping the Ripper gauntlet.

The criminal community has a vested interest in making themselves look good much more than the establishment who already are assumed to be good. So criminals would have to have a good reason to sweep their wayward brother under the rug to the point that no one hears of it. I’m still trying to think of one.

[Paddy Goose]

Thanks for the reply Lombro2,

I’m a suspect theorist so I work based on a suspect theory. ...
I find it’s better to talk to people like me who have a suspect, or at least a working suspect. They are more relaxed if they’re confident in their solution.

Sounds good to me. So if you don't mind me asking, who exactly is your working suspect, please?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I find it’s better to talk to people like me who have a suspect, or at least a working suspect. They are more relaxed if they’re confident in their solution. They deal with the human side of things versus “evidentiary” and don’t usually bother helping the Ripper gauntlet.

They are usually more biased. They have a theory which they then feel honourable-bound to defend at all costs. Dealing with the ‘human’ side rather than the ‘evidentiary’ allows you to sideline or ignore unfavourable evidence which saves the trouble of having to invent excuses for it. It allows reason and common sense to be substituted by meaningless waffle and half-baked theorising. Evidence is the only thing that matters. We can assess what is true or false if we can or failing that, likely or unlikely. Only in that way can we assess a suspects worth. If we don’t take this approach then we end up with people promoting suspects on the grounds of their presence in a forged document. People that shouldn’t be considered a suspect in the first place.

[Paddy Goose]

There you are, Hurley,

... people promoting suspects on the grounds of their presence in a forged document. ...

But you did not answer my direct question to you Herlock Sholmes.

Are you suggesting this is a "stealth" Diary thread by Lombro2?

Please answer at your convenience. Or not.

[Herlock Sholmes]

There you are, Hurley,



But you did not answer my direct question to you Herlock Sholmes.



Please answer at your convenience. Or not.

Sorry Paddy, I missed your question to me in the ps on post #17:

“Are you suggesting this is a "stealth" Diary thread by Lombro2? You actually broached that idea in your post #3 of this thread. Because quite honestly, I have followed briefly on the recent Diary threads and Lombro2's posts there are to me quite esoteric and don't give me a clue of his opinion pro or con. Whereas this thread seemed more accessible to me so I engaged. Again, clarification please.”

After reading the initial post, and considering how closely it followed on after the diary thread, I couldn’t help but make connection based on previous readings of Lombro’s posts. So my interpretation of what he was getting at in post #1 was:

If someone considered the killer a ‘cold blooded’ member of the criminal classes why would he embark on a campaign of murdering women when the rest of the criminal fraternity would either kill him or attempt to kill him? To me, this is a clear attempt to ‘indicate’ that the killer wouldn’t have been a member of the criminal classes; and so someone like Maybrick.

(I’m unsure of the relevance of the phrase ‘cold blooded though.’ Surely it means a lacking in conscience and this pertains to every serial killer and so is hardly rare trait.)

Lombro’s point three fails of course as it appears to assume that a ‘criminal class’ killer wouldn’t have been have announced his guilt to the rest of the criminal classes therefore putting his own life at risk. Clearly this wouldn’t have been the case so the point makes no sense.

So yes, I do believe that Lombro’s began this thread as yet another way of trying to point a finger at Maybrick which does smack of desperation.

[Lombro2]

My suspect is James Maybrick.

I am being confused with Suspect Authors. I’m not a suspect author. I guess the confusion is due to the existence of a diary.

[Paddy Goose]

My suspect is James Maybrick.

I am being confused with Suspect Authors. I’m not a suspect author. I guess the confusion is due to the existence of a diary.

Thank you Lombro2. You are not confused with Suspect Authors by me. I only know you as a poster here on the site.

The minute you posted "cold-blooded" from the "criminal classes" I thought of Joe Silver. He was profiled as the Ripper once. I would say my suspects are firstly an unknown local and in far far distant second place it's a tie between James Kelly and Joe Silver. And that could just be for the # 2's I find each of their life stories intriguing and enjoyed the books written about them by the two respective Suspect Authors James Tully and Charles van Onselen.

Having cleared the air we can move on if you please. You stated

I too believe JtR's cohorts took care of him.

You are referring to Maybrick's cohorts since he is your suspect.

The only question now is what kind of cohorts would take care of the Ripper on the side and then sweep the whole thing under the rug.

Your question indicates you do not know the exact identity of his, the Ripper, Maybrick's cohorts. My only guess is Maybrick's cohorts were other businessmen, possibly someone from his club. Sorry I can't be of assistance there. It didn't exactly get swept under the rug, if that was Maybrick's cohorts goal but instead his widow was charged with his murder. The cohorts had to breathe a sigh of relief. At least it wasn't them in the dock.

But again I thank you for stating your suspect. I tagged along on the Diary thread for a little while recently and I honestly did not know if you were for it or against it, your posts being so cryptically obtuse I would need my own Enigma Machine to decode them.



I wonder if I could get one of these on E-bay and tinker with it myself. For next time, just in case.

[seanr]

I guess what I don't understand is, if there were an international organised criminal classs involved in the international jewellery trade, sex trafficking and sex work and forgery, with a strong presence in Aldgate/ Whitechapel and Spitalfields, for what possible reason would they start killing street women at night?

Rhetorical question really, but with refererence to the criminal career of Joseph Silver and his associates.