Profiling Questionnaire: "Cold Blooded or Not" "Criminal or Not"

[Lombro2]

Here is a Ripperology profiling questionnaire:


1. Do you think Jack the Ripper was cold-blooded? If Yes, go to question 2.

2. Do you think Jack the Ripper was from the criminal classes or could be? If Yes, go to question 3.

3. Why do you think someone from the criminal classes would be a cold-blooded woman killer when we all know the "general population" of criminals would automatically kill him or at least want to kill him?

[Paddy Goose]

Because Jack the ripper was so cold-blooded he laughed in their faces and said BullShite! over and over As Michael Caine did in the movie Best Sellers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXS3CjZzI8

[Herlock Sholmes]

1. Yes
2. Don’t know

I know that I don’t need to answer number 3 but I sense that I know where this is heading.

if I (or anyone else) had answered, 2. Yes

then 3 would be you saying “a career criminal wouldn’t have done this because he’d have been targeted as a ‘women killer’ by his law-breaking colleagues, therefore the killer was more likely to have been a non-criminal like Maybrick.

Please tell me that you weren’t attempting to foist this tortuous offence to reason on everyone Lombro?

[Fiver]

1. The level of overkill makes it clear that the Ripper was not cold-blooded.

2. Since when is criminal a social class? This question is completely unrelated to the first question.

3. Your point makes no sense. Most criminals are not killers. If they knew someone was a stone-cold killer, their actions would vary. Some criminals would do nothing out of fear of the killer or fear of being labelled a snitch. Some criminals would avoid the stone-cold killer out of fear. Some criminals would try to blackmail the stone-cold killer. Some criminals would try to turn the stone-cold killer in for a reward.

But there is no reason that other criminals would try to murder someone because that other person was a stone-cold killer.

[Paddy Goose]

IN 1888 Joe Silver was full blown criminal class and a cadet pimp in Whitechapel at age nineteen. He went on to cold-bloodedly kill and rape both sexes and viciously exert control over his prostitutes on several continents in his career as a psychopath. He could have cared less about getting offed by his fellow miscreants for the Ripper murders as he was starting out on his life of crime and mayhem. Not scared of anyone whoever they be right from the git-go.

I don't know how you say BullShite! in Polish but he could probably say BullShite in a number of languages.

[Abby Normal]

IN 1888 Joe Silver was full blown criminal class and a cadet pimp in Whitechapel at age nineteen. He went on to cold-bloodedly kill and rape both sexes and viciously exert control over his prostitutes on several continents in his career as a psychopath. He could have cared less about getting offed by his fellow miscreants for the Ripper murders as he was starting out on his life of crime and mayhem. Not scared of anyone whoever they be right from the git-go.

I don't know how you say BullShite! in Polish but he could probably say BullShite in a number of languages.

carl panzram would have kicked his arse

[Lombro2]

I guess I should have mentioned I’m talking about stranger murders, not the killing of women you know or are employed by you, anymore than I would be talking about a wife or girlfriend.

[Paddy Goose]

No problem. Joe Silver pimped Jewish prostitutes. So no, he wouldn't have known the Whitechapel murder victims. Just killed them is all.

[Lombro2]

Why would he do that? Did he think killing Nordic prostitutes was the equivalent of killing a man so he chose them?

[bonestrewn]

Hi Lombro,

I'm a bit confused by this.

The "criminal classes," whether Victorian or modern, are full of violence against women. Yes, JTR would likely disturb or upset more ordinary comrades if they knew the fullest extent of his crimes, but if he passed as an ordinary woman-hater or woman-beater (which, as we know, were and are not uncommon things to be), why would this be relevant?

And, as Paddy points out above, there were and are criminals like JTR, targeting women (and in his given example, men as well) for abhorrent and disturbing crimes, fully embedded in networks of other criminals. So again, I'm just not sure how it's all relevant. I would be interested to know more about the background to your questions.

[seanr]

The "criminal classes," whether Victorian or modern, are full of violence against women.

This. Victorian 'criminal classes' (career criminals) could arguably be even more misogynist, given a society where domestic violence was hardly remarked upon and even some of the most famous women in the land would be victims of it, than those who exploited vulnerable women for profit (the so-called white slave trade, which Joseph Silver and his associates were linked through London, Paris, South Africa and Buenos Aires) would have been capable of the most disgusting attitudes towards women.

Just imagine if such gangs were operating in Whitechapel and Aldgate in 1888. You'd surely have to think 'there's something to this'.

[Lombro2]

Do you differentiate targeting a woman you don't know and targeting a woman you do know?

To me, you could have exactly the same weapon and MO and the profiles would be entirely different. There might be the odd exception or cross-over.

A cold-blooded killer can get heated up eventually with escalation but that doesn't mean it didn't start out cold-blooded. There are many reasons for mutilations that don't involve heated frenzy. So it's best to look past that and stick with convention as in punters not pimps.

[seanr]

There are many reasons for mutilations that don't involve heated frenzy. So it's best to look past that and stick with convention as in punters not pimps.

Kate Eddowes was in a police station until about 45 minutes before she was found murdered. Rather than returning home at that time of night, she headed back towards the Houndsditch area where she had spent most of that day, in the company of people (or person) who could afford to buy her a drink.

The 'criminal classes' of the day would typically be involved in a number of trades between stolen goods, running spielers, trading in illicit gems and robbery.

It's odd that the Post Office close to Mitre Square was robbed that very weekend.

There are certainly reasons for mutilations that don't involve heated frenzy, in fact given the short time scale, a heated frenzy is almost impossible to countenance, and the act must have been carried out in some haste was maintaining the presence of mind to make an escape.

[Paddy Goose]

Good afternoon Lombro2

Why would he do that? Did he think killing Nordic prostitutes was the equivalent of killing a man so he chose them?

...you asked me in reference to Joe Silver. Being cold-blooded he didn't "think" about it, he acted. Why? He lost it. Without thinking, without reasoning why. To himself or anyone else. And he obviously wasn't afraid of his criminal cohorts.

You did say cold-blooded.

Putting that aside, however, your initial post raises new possibilities, and by the way rules out Joe Silver because it takes a different direction altogether.

Let's say yes, as you suggest Jack the Ripper was a cold-blooded criminal and committed these murders even though, in the back of his mind, this particular chap, for whatever reason, was afraid of what his fellow criminals might do if they knew. And sure enough, they found out! His worst fears came true. So they decided to silence him, luring him to a pub down by the docks, plowing him with strong drink until he became highly inebriated, then tossing his drunk arse in the river. That's why today we don't know who Jack the Ripper is and we never will. Because those miscreants made him disappear from terra firma forever. To infinity and beyond!