If a doctor was responsible for the murders.......................

[lynn cates]

reasoning

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"Stride was a known casual prostitute, she was hanging around outside a social club at night, and was believed to be soliciting that night by Swanson & the police. She was found murdered in a secluded yard, just the kind of location a prostitute would take a client."

She was--when in SWEDEN.

"And probably short of a few bob. How would she remedy that, me thinks?"

Yes. You THINK.

"Faulty logic (and the same goes for your assassinated presidents)."

You mean REASONING? Please be aware that LOGIC is the STUDY of reasoning.

Faulty? To be sure. I tried to match YOUR reasoning so you could understand where you had gone astray.

"As time was of the essence, I think this would be reflected in his work, wouldn't you?"

Am I to understand that time was NOT of the essence on the open street (Buck's Row) and under the windows of #29 Hanbury? Yet knife skill was shown there.

For your next point, 5 murders, two on the same day, and three different days of the week. What's the pattern in that?

Finally, if we are accomplishing nothing, why don't we break off?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

tidy

Hello EWC. Thanks.

"but just how tidy could one be with such a meagre time window and in the almost total darkness of Mitre Square?"

Don't know. But just how tidy could one be with such a meagre time window and in the almost total darkness of Buck's Row?

Cheers.
LC

[Harry D]

Polly and Annie clearly were--by their own statement. But there is absolutely NO evidence that either Liz or Kate were soliciting. None.

Stride was a known casual prostitute, she was hanging around outside a social club at night, and was believed to be soliciting that night by Swanson & the police. She was found murdered in a secluded yard, just the kind of location a prostitute would take a client.

And, please to recall, Kate had just been released from Gaol.

And probably short of a few bob. How would she remedy that, me thinks?

On a battlefield, nearly all have been shot. Is there one gun involved?

Faulty logic (and the same goes for your assassinated presidents).

This won't do. Similar? The medicos pronounced Kate's mutilations as lacking skill. So much so that, when summing up at the Stride inquest, the coroner noted that Kate might be done by an imitator."

As time was of the essence, I think this would be reflected in his work, wouldn't you?

Friday is a week end?

So we can say the killer only struck on either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? The common link between the murders remains.

I'm afraid these cliches, regurgitated for the nth time, won't do.

Of course not, if some of the greatest Ripperologists out there aren't able to change your mind, then I stand no chance. We're both pissing in the wind, so to speak.

Do you have access to Evans and Skinner's "Ultimate Companion"? Why not give that a go?

My reading list is long enough as it is, but I'll bear that in mind.

[El White Chap]

Hello John. Thanks.

I am saying that Kate's mutilations were EGREGIOUSLY sloppy. Well, if the medicos are to be believed.

Cheers.
LC

Very true, but just how tidy could one be with such a meagre time window and in the almost total darkness of Mitre Square?

It can be argued as not only the most risky murder of them all but also the worse light conditions to boot.

[John Wheat]

I am saying that Kate's mutilations were EGREGIOUSLY sloppy. Well, if the medicos are to be believed.

Hi Lynn

I agree with you on Kate's mutilations. They were particularly sloppy. One possible reason for this could be that the Killer was inebriated when killing then mutilating Kate. Although obviously there is no evidence for this.

Cheers John

[lynn cates]

sloppy

Hello John. Thanks.

I am saying that Kate's mutilations were EGREGIOUSLY sloppy. Well, if the medicos are to be believed.

Cheers.
LC

[John Wheat]

That goes, a fortiori, for Kate.

Hi Lynn

I'm not totally sure what you're saying.

Cheers John

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello John.

"I don't believe a Dr was responsible for the Ripper murders and even if they were I don't buy that they would make a sloppy job of the mutilations."

That goes, a fortiori, for Kate.

Cheers.
LC

[John Wheat]

As I said if a Dr was responsible and did not want it to appear as if a Dr had done it, then I guess that is why

Hi Natasha

I suppose it's possible but I don't buy it. I don't believe a Dr was responsible for the Ripper murders and even if they were I don't buy that they would make a sloppy job of the mutilations.

Cheers John

[lynn cates]

"The Chalk and Cheese Review."

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"The victims were all working girls in the local area."

Polly and Annie clearly were--by their own statement. But there is absolutely NO evidence that either Liz or Kate were soliciting. None. And, please to recall, Kate had just been released from Gaol.

"They all had their throats slit."

On a battlefield, nearly all have been shot. Is there one gun involved?

"All of them were killed/mutilated with similar precision."

This won't do. Similar? The medicos pronounced Kate's mutilations as lacking skill. So much so that, when summing up at the Stride inquest, the coroner noted that Kate might be done by an imitator."

"All of them were killed at the weekend or on a Bank Holiday."

Friday is a week end?

"None of them were sexually assaulted (unlike Emma Smith)."

Same for four American Presidents. Yet I highly doubt they were killed by the same hand.

I'm afraid these cliches, regurgitated for the nth time, won't do.

Do you have access to Evans and Skinner's "Ultimate Companion"? Why not give that a go?

Cheers.
LC

[Harry D]

Hello, Lynn. Always a pleasure.

(And a cut throat is NOT sufficient.)

Now, now, that's not how this works. You don't get to make the rules.

What common denominators? If someone could, just once, spell that out, perhaps we would stop spinning our wheels?

Anyway...
The victims were all working girls in the local area.
They all had their throats slit.
All of them were killed/mutilated with similar precision.
All of them were killed at the weekend or on a Bank Holiday.
None of them were sexually assaulted (unlike Emma Smith).

[lynn cates]

denominators

Hello Harry. Thanks. Perhaps you are the gander?

What common denominators? If someone could, just once, spell that out, perhaps we would stop spinning our wheels?

(And a cut throat is NOT sufficient.)

Cheers.
LC

[pinkmoon]

Has anyone found a doctor or surgeon who died or was imprisoned shortly after Kelly's murder?.

[Natasha]

If a doctor was responsible for the murders wouldn't the cuts have been cleaner?

Hi John

As I said if a Dr was responsible and did not want it to appear as if a Dr had done it, then I guess that is why

[Harry D]

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"Let's stick to Whitechapel, shall we?"

Delighted to. Kate was killed in Aldgate, City of London, Liz, St. George's in the East. So we can omit the "Double Event" altogether.

". . .throat slashed left to right . . ."

Well, since "MJK" was the converse, you eliminate her as "not ripper-esque." Keep going. You are on a roll.

"With a serial killer on the loose. . ."

What serial killer? Your criteria have eliminated Brown, Eddowes and Stride.

"Not a betting man, I take it?"

Certainly not. I work for a living.

Cheers.
LC

You're just being a silly goose now, Lynn.

We could all cherry pick details of the individual murders to suit our own argument. No two murders are ever completely identical. Look at the common denominators of all five murders and tell me they weren't carried out by the same hand. What are the chances that two murderers with similar MOs were active around the same time, operating around the same localized area, and both of them stopped abruptly around the same time?