If a doctor was responsible for the murders.......................

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby

So what is your hypothesis on who the ripper was, his motive etc?

Hi Natasha
Thanks!

I view the numerous suspects with varying degrees of scepticism but that being said I think that Mary Kelly might be the key to this as it seems she may have known her killer. The witnesses describe her with being with four different men that night and I think that there is a good chance one of them might be her killer:

Barnett: had an alibi and was cleared
Blotchy: last credible suspect seen with Kelly. Never came forward.
Hutch: dodgy sighting
Astracahn man: possibly fictitious character invented by hutch.

I view Blotchy and hutch as possible suspects 1 and 2 and then falling off considerably a group of other viable candidates- chapman, bury, Kelly and Kosminski. This second tier of suspects were all at least persons of interest at the time.

Amongst the third tier of suspects, I include persons who, as I said, we're familiar with Mary Kelly-Fleming, McCarthy and bowyer, as well as long shot police suspects Druitt and tumblety.

Now all that being said, I have to reiterate that I think that they are all weak suspects and that my top candidates are the least weak of the lot.


As to motive, I think his motive is probably similar to most post mortem mutilating serial killers. He got some kind of pleasure or release from killing and cutting open women and there was probably a sexual component to it. I think there is a good chance he ate and or masturbated with the organs he brought home and that there was possibly a secondary pleasure he derived from the "chase" and the notoriety he received from public, police and press.

[sepiae]

motivation cont.

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"If not anger, then what was Jack's motive?"

Not sure why we are talking about a single bloke, but, even so, there are multitudes of possibilities.

Cheers.
LC

Lynn,

and this is by no means meant in a sarcastic way, I'd really would like to know:
what are your ideas about motive?
More concrete than above. I'm asking myself that for a while...

greetz,

sepy

[sepiae]

Hey Lynn,

If not anger, then what was Jack's motive? These didn't appear to be sexually motivated crimes. The manner in which the women were eviscerated and the targeting of the genital areas implies to me that Jack was pursuing a vendetta against the drabs of Whitechapel... probably for giving him syphilis.

Hi Harry, and also Hi Lynn,

to both of you, here's some more of the 'scientific rot', if you will, but sexually motivated crime d o e s n o t necessarily mean
- sexual activity on behalf of the killer during the murder [masturbation]
- arousal as in getting a boner
not even
- sexually fantasizing about it afterwards

I can understand if you don't like the idea. But 'sexually motivated crime' is a term used in forensic psychiatry - whether you like/accept forensic psychiatry or not is incidental here; it's a term from this field. And it does not mean the above listed HAS to be present.

Whether the term applies to JtR or not is another question. I'd say you'd still have to make the case if you say it doesn't apply.

Greetz,

sepy

[Observer]

Spiffing !!!

But I'm not surprised that these simple facts and inferences could be lost on someone who thinks the ripper was a combination of a bat **** crazy butcher and some kind of conspiracy

Oh oh ! Now you're talking!

[lynn cates]

salute

Hello EWC. Thanks.

I salute you.

Cheers.
LC

[El White Chap]

Hello EWC. Thanks.

Our best evidence is from inquest.

Cheers.
LC

Now there is something we agree on.

[Natasha]

Hi fish, tji and Lc
No not at all that wacky. Simply that the murders(for the six victims most consider most likely to be connected by a single killer) were at the beginning and then subsequently at the end of the month.

The possible implications being simply that the pattern may establish that they were all from a single killer, that he was employed,and could indicate that his employment might have had something to do with the pattern (ie., his job prohibited somehow for killing in the middle of the month).

But I'm not surprised that these simple facts and inferences could be lost on someone who thinks the ripper was a combination of a bat **** crazy butcher and some kind of conspiracy, someone who thinks it was a simple witness on his way to work, and someone who thinks the ripper is one of the last in a long line of Crazy Jew suspects that was initiated by a senile racist braggart.

Hi Abby

So what is your hypothesis on who the ripper was, his motive etc?

[Fisherman]

Would there be any reason for a carmans work to take him out of the game in the middle of the month?
Perhaps that is the question you should be asking instead of blindly mocking and ignoring a very simple and obvious pattern to the killings.

I am not mocking you, Abby - I thought you were joking and I appreciated the joke.
If, however, you were NOT joking, well ...

I don´t think that the pattern you describe is something very significant. We lack any killings in the 10th-20th category, but that is by the smallest of margins. I wouldn´t invest too dearly in it.

Lechmere would reasonably not have any cause to be "out of the game" in mid months.

The best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

alpha and omega--and nothing else

Hello Abby. Thanks.

Yes, it IS lost on me. How can the 9th of the month count as the beginning?

If the first 9 days of the month are the beginning and the last 9 the ending, then, statistically, OF COURSE they would take place then. What's left?

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Fisherman

Would there be any reason for a carmans work to take him out of the game in the middle of the month?
Perhaps that is the question you should be asking instead of blindly mocking and ignoring a very simple and obvious pattern to the killings.

[Fisherman]

I'm not surprised that these simple facts and inferences could be lost on someone who thinks the ripper was a combination of a bat **** crazy butcher and some kind of conspiracy, someone who thinks it was a simple witness on his way to work, and someone who thinks the ripper is one of the last in a long line of Crazy Jew suspects that was initiated by a senile racist braggart.

Fisherman

[Abby Normal]

If you´ve got it, flaunt it, Tracy!

The best,
Fisherman

Hi fish, tji and Lc
No not at all that wacky. Simply that the murders(for the six victims most consider most likely to be connected by a single killer) were at the beginning and then subsequently at the end of the month.

The possible implications being simply that the pattern may establish that they were all from a single killer, that he was employed,and could indicate that his employment might have had something to do with the pattern (ie., his job prohibited somehow for killing in the middle of the month).

But I'm not surprised that these simple facts and inferences could be lost on someone who thinks the ripper was a combination of a bat **** crazy butcher and some kind of conspiracy, someone who thinks it was a simple witness on his way to work, and someone who thinks the ripper is one of the last in a long line of Crazy Jew suspects that was initiated by a senile racist braggart.

[lynn cates]

inquest

Hello EWC. Thanks.

Our best evidence is from inquest.

Cheers.
LC

[El White Chap]

Hello EWC. Thanks.

One may "believe" (I think that was your word) whatever one wishes. But I still prefer evidence.

Cheers.
LC

Yes of course, but does one already possess the evidence?

[lynn cates]

punctus contra punctum

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"What do you think she was doing in the yard?"

Haven't the foggiest. IF she were soliciting, she was a fool.

Since my PhD was in PRECISELY the field of logic, I think it were better for you NOT to adduce the dictionary. Recall: those who work in the field retain a pure vocabulary concerning what they do.

"You were making false analogies, that's what you were doing."

Please be aware that, there is no such thing as a false analogy. ANY two things can be compared. Of course, there are better and worse correlations between the analogans and analogandum. Perhaps that is what you were trying to say?

Actually, I was trying to exhibit the flaw in your reasoning. But it was lost on you.

"We KNOW that the killer had a narrow window of opportunity with Eddowes, we don't know this was the same for Nichols or Chapman, do we?"

We most certainly do.

"All five murders occurred at the weekend or the day before. That means, in your book, you've got multiple killers all with a similar schedule?"

That's 3/7--almost half. Surely there is no significance here? Ah! But perhaps since there were no Wednesday murders . . . ?

"That's fair enough, I don't have the patience for protracted internet debates these days."

Nor yet I. Hence, let us append coda have done with it.

Cheers.
LC