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  • lynn cates
    Commisioner
    • Aug 2009
    • 13841

    #31
    cheap

    Hello CD. Thanks.

    Certainly not. I'd NEVER regard you as cheap.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • Harry D
      *
      • May 2014
      • 3360

      #32
      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
      A lot more than that. Don't forget Mr. Brown who also killed, and many other murders that year.
      Let's stick to Whitechapel, shall we?

      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
      What was ripper-esque about Liz's killing?
      Same type of victim, throat slashed left to right, body positioned so that the blood flowed away from the abdomen, no sign of blood splatter.

      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
      And, again, only two miles west, same night, another woman died from a knife. What are the odds?
      With a serial killer on the loose, deprived of his finishing his last prey? Pretty high. One could argue that Jack was taking his frustrations out on Eddowes, hence the extent of her mutilation.

      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
      (And, no offense, but whom CARES about probability theory?)
      Not a betting man, I take it?

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      • lynn cates
        Commisioner
        • Aug 2009
        • 13841

        #33
        Whitechapel

        Hello Harry. Thanks.

        "Let's stick to Whitechapel, shall we?"

        Delighted to. Kate was killed in Aldgate, City of London, Liz, St. George's in the East. So we can omit the "Double Event" altogether.

        ". . .throat slashed left to right . . ."

        Well, since "MJK" was the converse, you eliminate her as "not ripper-esque." Keep going. You are on a roll.

        "With a serial killer on the loose. . ."

        What serial killer? Your criteria have eliminated Brown, Eddowes and Stride.

        "Not a betting man, I take it?"

        Certainly not. I work for a living.

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • John Wheat
          Assistant Commissioner
          • Jul 2008
          • 3351

          #34
          If a doctor was responsible for the murders wouldn't the cuts have been cleaner?

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          • Harry D
            *
            • May 2014
            • 3360

            #35
            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
            Hello Harry. Thanks.

            "Let's stick to Whitechapel, shall we?"

            Delighted to. Kate was killed in Aldgate, City of London, Liz, St. George's in the East. So we can omit the "Double Event" altogether.

            ". . .throat slashed left to right . . ."

            Well, since "MJK" was the converse, you eliminate her as "not ripper-esque." Keep going. You are on a roll.

            "With a serial killer on the loose. . ."

            What serial killer? Your criteria have eliminated Brown, Eddowes and Stride.

            "Not a betting man, I take it?"

            Certainly not. I work for a living.

            Cheers.
            LC
            You're just being a silly goose now, Lynn.

            We could all cherry pick details of the individual murders to suit our own argument. No two murders are ever completely identical. Look at the common denominators of all five murders and tell me they weren't carried out by the same hand. What are the chances that two murderers with similar MOs were active around the same time, operating around the same localized area, and both of them stopped abruptly around the same time?

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            • Natasha
              Sergeant
              • Jun 2014
              • 585

              #36
              Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
              If a doctor was responsible for the murders wouldn't the cuts have been cleaner?
              Hi John

              As I said if a Dr was responsible and did not want it to appear as if a Dr had done it, then I guess that is why

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              • pinkmoon
                Chief Inspector
                • Jul 2013
                • 1813

                #37
                Has anyone found a doctor or surgeon who died or was imprisoned shortly after Kelly's murder?.
                Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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                • lynn cates
                  Commisioner
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 13841

                  #38
                  denominators

                  Hello Harry. Thanks. Perhaps you are the gander?

                  What common denominators? If someone could, just once, spell that out, perhaps we would stop spinning our wheels?

                  (And a cut throat is NOT sufficient.)

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • Harry D
                    *
                    • May 2014
                    • 3360

                    #39
                    Hello, Lynn. Always a pleasure.

                    Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                    (And a cut throat is NOT sufficient.)
                    Now, now, that's not how this works. You don't get to make the rules.

                    Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                    What common denominators? If someone could, just once, spell that out, perhaps we would stop spinning our wheels?
                    Anyway...
                    The victims were all working girls in the local area.
                    They all had their throats slit.
                    All of them were killed/mutilated with similar precision.
                    All of them were killed at the weekend or on a Bank Holiday.
                    None of them were sexually assaulted (unlike Emma Smith).

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                    • lynn cates
                      Commisioner
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 13841

                      #40
                      "The Chalk and Cheese Review."

                      Hello Harry. Thanks.

                      "The victims were all working girls in the local area."

                      Polly and Annie clearly were--by their own statement. But there is absolutely NO evidence that either Liz or Kate were soliciting. None. And, please to recall, Kate had just been released from Gaol.

                      "They all had their throats slit."

                      On a battlefield, nearly all have been shot. Is there one gun involved?

                      "All of them were killed/mutilated with similar precision."

                      This won't do. Similar? The medicos pronounced Kate's mutilations as lacking skill. So much so that, when summing up at the Stride inquest, the coroner noted that Kate might be done by an imitator."

                      "All of them were killed at the weekend or on a Bank Holiday."

                      Friday is a week end?

                      "None of them were sexually assaulted (unlike Emma Smith)."

                      Same for four American Presidents. Yet I highly doubt they were killed by the same hand.

                      I'm afraid these cliches, regurgitated for the nth time, won't do.

                      Do you have access to Evans and Skinner's "Ultimate Companion"? Why not give that a go?

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • John Wheat
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3351

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Natasha View Post
                        As I said if a Dr was responsible and did not want it to appear as if a Dr had done it, then I guess that is why
                        Hi Natasha

                        I suppose it's possible but I don't buy it. I don't believe a Dr was responsible for the Ripper murders and even if they were I don't buy that they would make a sloppy job of the mutilations.

                        Cheers John

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                        • lynn cates
                          Commisioner
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 13841

                          #42
                          Kate

                          Hello John.

                          "I don't believe a Dr was responsible for the Ripper murders and even if they were I don't buy that they would make a sloppy job of the mutilations."

                          That goes, a fortiori, for Kate.

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • John Wheat
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 3351

                            #43
                            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                            That goes, a fortiori, for Kate.
                            Hi Lynn

                            I'm not totally sure what you're saying.

                            Cheers John

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                            • lynn cates
                              Commisioner
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13841

                              #44
                              sloppy

                              Hello John. Thanks.

                              I am saying that Kate's mutilations were EGREGIOUSLY sloppy. Well, if the medicos are to be believed.

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • John Wheat
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 3351

                                #45
                                Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                                I am saying that Kate's mutilations were EGREGIOUSLY sloppy. Well, if the medicos are to be believed.
                                Hi Lynn

                                I agree with you on Kate's mutilations. They were particularly sloppy. One possible reason for this could be that the Killer was inebriated when killing then mutilating Kate. Although obviously there is no evidence for this.

                                Cheers John

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