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Yes, its that time again...
So...
MILK
It was reported that around 10.30am on the morning of the discovery of MJK, that a man was stopped and questioned by police as he left Millers Court.
He claimed to be a Porter residing at number 3 Millers Court (ground floor) and was on his way to get some MILK and knew nothing of the murder; having heard or seen nothing.
He was allowed to go on his way.
This man's name seems to not have been reported in the press and to this day the man's name is unknown.
There is another thread ongoing (thanks to the legendary Debra, the late great Mr Chris Scott, and the fabulous Belloc) regarding a man named Henry Hanslope, who at some point resided at number 11 Millers Court.
Long story short, Hanslope was a destitute man who spent much time in and out of lodging houses and workhouses.
Over time he..
violently assaulted his mother,
threatened to murder his wife by cutting her throatand attempted/succeeded in raping his own teenage daughter.
He was a man who dressed to impress and passed himself off as a Detective, despite being a farmers boy.
Interestingly, Hanslope, like the man stopped by police and questioned and who resided at number 3 Millers Court, also claimed to be a Porter.
We can't be certain when Hanslope resided in Millers Court, but we know he did.
But, Hanslope aside...
Another witness; named Morris/Maurice Lewis claimed to have seen MJK alive and well in the morning of MJK's murder.
Initially he claimed to have seen MJK around 8am...on her way to get some MILK, but then the time changes to around 9am based on his alleged sighting of MJK around 10am in the Public House on Dorset St...the same pub in which Caroline Maxwell claimed to have seen her also.
So, based on Morris Lewis's account; which we only know from various press sources; he was around Mccarthy's Court sometime between 8am (when he saw MJK on her way to get MILK) and 9am when he was playing a game with a group of other men.
He claimed to gave run (along with others) once he heard a lad shout "Copper!", ergo, alerting Lewis and his friends that there was a policeman about.
Who was this policeman?
The issue is Lewis's timing.
He seems to jump an hour.
His initial account is based on seeing MJK at 8am... but then is later changed to tie in with Maxwell's account of seeing MJK in the pub around 10am.
Why is that?
Maxwell lived in Dorset Street
Lewis lived in Dorset Street and places himself in Mccarthy Court...along with a GROUP of others.
Who were this group?
Based on his timing; does it mean he saw MJK at 8am and then again at 9am in the pub?
Or did he see MJK around 9am getting milk and then at 10am in the pub?
Maxwell and Lewis's reports support each other with the 10am scenario.
But that then means that MJK's discovery would be between 10.30am - 11am.
And so how can a man exit from Millers Court and be stopped by police at 10.30am and questioned, when MJK hasn't yet been discovered?
That would mean that we have an unidentified man leaving the court just before MJK is found murdered.
This is based on an approximate time of Bowyer finding her around 10.45am AND Lewis's amended timings based on the press accounts.
And so...we have a man still unidentified, unnamed and unknown Porter who goes for MILK just before MJK's body is found.
We then have a man in Lewis who claims to have seen MJK going for MILK around 8am (potentially 9am based on his 10am account of seeing MJK in the pub at 10am)
And we have Hanslope who states he's also a porter and who also lived (at some point in 1888/1889) in Millers Court.
And so...my question is...
Was the man who was stopped by police around 10.30am and who claimed to have been on his way to get milk, the man who had just left Millers Court after butchering Kelly?
Was this man Hanslope...or Lewis?
Were the men the same person?
Number 11 overlooks the window of the room in which MJK was murdered at no.13.
And so whomever resided in number 11 would have a view into Kelly's room and know that the room could be accessed via the latch through the broken window.
Did the Porter man tell the police he had come from room 3; situated across the court, but actually came from room 11?
If Hanslope was the man living in 11 Millers Court, then we have a man who tried to assault, rape and murder his mother, daughter, and wife respectively, living directly opposite MJK's window.
Note also that Morris Lewis was never called up to give testimony at the inquest. In fact, he fades into obscurity and appears to simply dissappear.
As though he never really existed.
A bit like George Hutchinson
My next question...
If Lewis's account was genuine and he mentions seeing MJK on her way to get milk at 8am/9am...and then another man who lives in the court is stopped on his way to get milk; is that perhaps a clue that the stories have been intertwined and/or that Lewis and the man stopped were the same man; ergo, LEWIS was on his way to get milk and NOT MJK?
There is a lot to unravel here but the link between the Milk and the Porter should not be overlooked.
Now if MJK was dead by the time the man left the court from room 3 to get milk, then one would assume that he was stopped AFTER MJK was found dead.
Otherwise, why stop him in the first place to question him?
When we add Hanslope into the mix, we have a bizarre concoction that includes Lewis, Maxwell and the man who was stopped on his way to get milk.
Was the man who got stopped actually Morris Lewis?
And was Morris Lewis the same man known as Henry Hanslope?
If so, was he the man who butchered Kelly?
And was Hutchinson an alias of Hanslope?
Lots to ponder.
RD
Yes, its that time again...
So...
MILK
It was reported that around 10.30am on the morning of the discovery of MJK, that a man was stopped and questioned by police as he left Millers Court.
He claimed to be a Porter residing at number 3 Millers Court (ground floor) and was on his way to get some MILK and knew nothing of the murder; having heard or seen nothing.
He was allowed to go on his way.
This man's name seems to not have been reported in the press and to this day the man's name is unknown.
There is another thread ongoing (thanks to the legendary Debra, the late great Mr Chris Scott, and the fabulous Belloc) regarding a man named Henry Hanslope, who at some point resided at number 11 Millers Court.
Long story short, Hanslope was a destitute man who spent much time in and out of lodging houses and workhouses.
Over time he..
violently assaulted his mother,
threatened to murder his wife by cutting her throatand attempted/succeeded in raping his own teenage daughter.
He was a man who dressed to impress and passed himself off as a Detective, despite being a farmers boy.
Interestingly, Hanslope, like the man stopped by police and questioned and who resided at number 3 Millers Court, also claimed to be a Porter.
We can't be certain when Hanslope resided in Millers Court, but we know he did.
But, Hanslope aside...
Another witness; named Morris/Maurice Lewis claimed to have seen MJK alive and well in the morning of MJK's murder.
Initially he claimed to have seen MJK around 8am...on her way to get some MILK, but then the time changes to around 9am based on his alleged sighting of MJK around 10am in the Public House on Dorset St...the same pub in which Caroline Maxwell claimed to have seen her also.
So, based on Morris Lewis's account; which we only know from various press sources; he was around Mccarthy's Court sometime between 8am (when he saw MJK on her way to get MILK) and 9am when he was playing a game with a group of other men.
He claimed to gave run (along with others) once he heard a lad shout "Copper!", ergo, alerting Lewis and his friends that there was a policeman about.
Who was this policeman?
The issue is Lewis's timing.
He seems to jump an hour.
His initial account is based on seeing MJK at 8am... but then is later changed to tie in with Maxwell's account of seeing MJK in the pub around 10am.
Why is that?
Maxwell lived in Dorset Street
Lewis lived in Dorset Street and places himself in Mccarthy Court...along with a GROUP of others.
Who were this group?
Based on his timing; does it mean he saw MJK at 8am and then again at 9am in the pub?
Or did he see MJK around 9am getting milk and then at 10am in the pub?
Maxwell and Lewis's reports support each other with the 10am scenario.
But that then means that MJK's discovery would be between 10.30am - 11am.
And so how can a man exit from Millers Court and be stopped by police at 10.30am and questioned, when MJK hasn't yet been discovered?
That would mean that we have an unidentified man leaving the court just before MJK is found murdered.
This is based on an approximate time of Bowyer finding her around 10.45am AND Lewis's amended timings based on the press accounts.
And so...we have a man still unidentified, unnamed and unknown Porter who goes for MILK just before MJK's body is found.
We then have a man in Lewis who claims to have seen MJK going for MILK around 8am (potentially 9am based on his 10am account of seeing MJK in the pub at 10am)
And we have Hanslope who states he's also a porter and who also lived (at some point in 1888/1889) in Millers Court.
And so...my question is...
Was the man who was stopped by police around 10.30am and who claimed to have been on his way to get milk, the man who had just left Millers Court after butchering Kelly?
Was this man Hanslope...or Lewis?
Were the men the same person?
Number 11 overlooks the window of the room in which MJK was murdered at no.13.
And so whomever resided in number 11 would have a view into Kelly's room and know that the room could be accessed via the latch through the broken window.
Did the Porter man tell the police he had come from room 3; situated across the court, but actually came from room 11?
If Hanslope was the man living in 11 Millers Court, then we have a man who tried to assault, rape and murder his mother, daughter, and wife respectively, living directly opposite MJK's window.
Note also that Morris Lewis was never called up to give testimony at the inquest. In fact, he fades into obscurity and appears to simply dissappear.
As though he never really existed.
A bit like George Hutchinson
My next question...
If Lewis's account was genuine and he mentions seeing MJK on her way to get milk at 8am/9am...and then another man who lives in the court is stopped on his way to get milk; is that perhaps a clue that the stories have been intertwined and/or that Lewis and the man stopped were the same man; ergo, LEWIS was on his way to get milk and NOT MJK?
There is a lot to unravel here but the link between the Milk and the Porter should not be overlooked.
Now if MJK was dead by the time the man left the court from room 3 to get milk, then one would assume that he was stopped AFTER MJK was found dead.
Otherwise, why stop him in the first place to question him?
When we add Hanslope into the mix, we have a bizarre concoction that includes Lewis, Maxwell and the man who was stopped on his way to get milk.
Was the man who got stopped actually Morris Lewis?
And was Morris Lewis the same man known as Henry Hanslope?
If so, was he the man who butchered Kelly?
And was Hutchinson an alias of Hanslope?
Lots to ponder.
RD
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