Had The Ripper A Beard ?!

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • The Baron
    Inspector
    • Feb 2019
    • 1492

    #61
    Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post


    Granted it's a BIG one, but there is clearly skin visible on his chin.



    You may be right Ms Diddles, but I am not sure in the dark alleys of Whitechapel a witness could still have been able to see the remaining skin.


    The Baron

    Comment

    • Herlock Sholmes
      Commissioner
      • May 2017
      • 22332

      #62
      Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post


      I'd say George Chapman's facial appendage is quite clearly a moustache.

      Granted it's a BIG one, but there is clearly skin visible on his chin.
      For the first time in history a moustache has been mistaken for a beard Ms D. You saw it here.
      Regards

      Herlock Sholmes

      ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

      Comment

      • Herlock Sholmes
        Commissioner
        • May 2017
        • 22332

        #63
        So not only are people being eliminated if they had a beard two years after the murders (I’m assuming that 2 years before would count too?) Also being eliminated are people who might have had beards that might have been mistaken for non-beards do to the size and shape. What about the possibility of eliminating any suspect not recorded as ever having had a beard but who might have grown a beard in the autumn of 1888 and then shaved it off? What about people who were very messy eaters and had food around their mouths which in the dark might have been mistaken for a beard? Or what about people with very light, pale beards which under street lighting might have appeared as non-beards. And what about people wearing a dark scarf around their neck which might have covered their chins and looked like a beard when it wasn’t? Or what about people wearing a very light scarf around their neck which might have covered a beard leaving a witness to think that they didn’t have a beard?

        Have I missed any beard-related possibility?

        If we were doing this fairly we would either have to show, a) that the suspect can be proven to have had a beard during the murders (photograph, drawing or testimony) or b) that we have numerous sources just before and just after as to make it almost certain that the suspect would have had a beard at the time.
        Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; 06-16-2024, 02:46 PM.
        Regards

        Herlock Sholmes

        ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

        Comment

        • The Baron
          Inspector
          • Feb 2019
          • 1492

          #64
          Dr. Alexander Pedachenko


          Probably never existed, but that doesn't mean he is immune to Elimination



          Click image for larger version

Name:	c9701-pedachenko.jpg
Views:	198
Size:	30.8 KB
ID:	836186



          The Baron

          Comment

          • rjpalmer
            Commissioner
            • Mar 2008
            • 4366

            #65
            Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
            Have I missed any beard-related possibility?.
            Yes. "No one ever saw the Whitechapel Murderer." - Melville Macnaghten.

            Robert Anderson's myth of the "one person" who saw the Ripper is an idea that only solidified into fact by 1910. Contemporary MEPO reports and other records show the police had no idea who did, and who did not, see the murderer or murderers.

            The police were quite willing to investigate bearded men in 1888 and afterwards.
            Last edited by rjpalmer; 06-16-2024, 07:03 PM.

            Comment

            • The Baron
              Inspector
              • Feb 2019
              • 1492

              #66
              Originally posted by The Baron View Post

              then will say non of the eyewitnesses saw the ripper...

              But I didn't miss this



              The Baron

              Comment

              • Herlock Sholmes
                Commissioner
                • May 2017
                • 22332

                #67
                Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                Yes. "No one ever saw the Whitechapel Murderer." - Melville Macnaghten.

                Robert Anderson's myth of the "one person" who saw the Ripper is an idea that only solidified into fact by 1910. Contemporary MEPO reports and other records show the police had no idea who did, and who did not, see the murderer or murderers.

                The police were quite willing to investigate bearded men in 1888 and afterwards.
                Don’t mention Macnaghten Roger. You know what happens.
                Regards

                Herlock Sholmes

                ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

                Comment

                • The Baron
                  Inspector
                  • Feb 2019
                  • 1492

                  #68
                  Dr Henry Gawain Sutton


                  Eliminated


                  Click image for larger version

Name:	m_nd67651.3.1.jpg
Views:	187
Size:	67.3 KB
ID:	836196




                  The Baron

                  Comment

                  • Herlock Sholmes
                    Commissioner
                    • May 2017
                    • 22332

                    #69
                    If its not deemed a problem that we don’t know if a suspect even had a beard in the autumn of 1888 but it’s considered incriminating that someone had a beard years later (so much so that it’s thought prudent to eliminate him) then what might we deduce from this chap?

                    ”…he goes about the streets and picks up bits of bread out of the gutter and eats them, he drinks water from the tap & he refuses food at the hands of others. He took up a knife and threatened the life of his sister. He is very dirty and will not be washed. He has not attempted any kind of work for years."

                    Now, if someone has an aversion to even the most basic levels of cleanliness and has no care whatsoever for his own appearance I’d suggest it unlikely that he’d have been keen on shaving either. So there’s a very real possibility that he would have had a beard at some point. Is he eliminated too?
                    Regards

                    Herlock Sholmes

                    ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

                    Comment

                    • Lewis C
                      Inspector
                      • Dec 2022
                      • 1162

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post


                      I'd say George Chapman's facial appendage is quite clearly a moustache.

                      Granted it's a BIG one, but there is clearly skin visible on his chin.
                      Hi Ms. Diddles,

                      Also, I think that picture of Chapman was taken about 14 years after the Whitechapel murders. His moustache might have been a little smaller 14 years earlier.

                      Comment

                      • Ms Diddles
                        Chief Inspector
                        • Aug 2019
                        • 1731

                        #71
                        Originally posted by The Baron View Post
                        Dr Henry Gawain Sutton


                        Eliminated


                        Click image for larger version

Name:	m_nd67651.3.1.jpg
Views:	187
Size:	67.3 KB
ID:	836196




                        The Baron
                        If he had a scarf round his neck or his collars up, he'd look like a non-beard though, Baron?!

                        Comment

                        • The Rookie Detective
                          Chief Inspector
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 1899

                          #72
                          Chris Cringle.

                          Eliminated...

                          Click image for larger version

Name:	2-vintage-santa-claus-father-christmas-victorian-era-19th-century-11-956484992.jpg
Views:	172
Size:	134.6 KB
ID:	836215


                          RD
                          "Great minds, don't think alike"

                          Comment

                          • Ms Diddles
                            Chief Inspector
                            • Aug 2019
                            • 1731

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                            If its not deemed a problem that we don’t know if a suspect even had a beard in the autumn of 1888 but it’s considered incriminating that someone had a beard years later (so much so that it’s thought prudent to eliminate him) then what might we deduce from this chap?

                            ”…he goes about the streets and picks up bits of bread out of the gutter and eats them, he drinks water from the tap & he refuses food at the hands of others. He took up a knife and threatened the life of his sister. He is very dirty and will not be washed. He has not attempted any kind of work for years."

                            Now, if someone has an aversion to even the most basic levels of cleanliness and has no care whatsoever for his own appearance I’d suggest it unlikely that he’d have been keen on shaving either. So there’s a very real possibility that he would have had a beard at some point. Is he eliminated too?
                            Kozminski. Eliminated!!!!

                            Comment

                            • The Baron
                              Inspector
                              • Feb 2019
                              • 1492

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post

                              If he had a scarf round his neck or his collars up, he'd look like a non-beard though, Baron?!




                              Yes, all those bearded suspects were able to hide their beards under their clothes, not only Sutton



                              The Baron

                              Comment

                              • Herlock Sholmes
                                Commissioner
                                • May 2017
                                • 22332

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post

                                Kozminski. Eliminated!!!!
                                Regards

                                Herlock Sholmes

                                ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X