Rating The Suspects.

[GBinOz]

I don't believe there should be a "0" for Access to murder sites, because it would need to encompass ALL of the murders, and there's no evidence to suggest that all of the victims were murdered by the same hand.

Astute observation RD. Of the 15 Whitechapel murders, Jack is being attributed with 5 +/_ 1 or 2. So the majority are postulated as being committed by one or more other perps.

Cheers, George

[Herlock Sholmes]

Re Feigenbaum
Here is a quote from William Lawton the lawyer who represented him throughout his incarceration for the murder he committed in The USA

So what did Lawton reveal? He stated, “One night I stayed talking with him for over two hours and during this time, he told me, “I have for years suffered from a singular disease which induces an all absorbing passion, this passion manifests itself in a desire to kill and mutilate every woman who falls in my way. At such times I am unable to control myself” Lawton went on to say, “I began to search Feigenbaum’s record. I learned that he was in Wisconsin at the time the country was startled by the news of the murder and mutilation of several women there, when I saw him again I mentioned the Whitechapel murders to which he replied, “The lord was responsible for my acts, and that to him only could I confess.” I was so startled that for the moment I did not know what to do I then looked up the dates of the Whitechapel murders and selected two. When I saw Feigenbaum again and was talking with him I said: "Carl, were you in London from this date to that one," naming those selected. "Yes", he answered.

Assistant District Attorney Vernon M. Davis, who prosecuted Feigenbaum, said: “If it were proved that Feigenbaum was 'Jack the Ripper' it would not greatly surprise me, because I always considered him a cunning fellow, surrounded by a great deal of mystery, and his life history was never found out.

The results of my in-depth investigation into Feigenbaum can be found in my book -"Jack The Ripper-The Real Truth" https://bit.ly/4h1IlnW

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

So Feigenbaum was given two dates by Lawton and when he asked Feigenbaum about those dates his memory was good enough to recall where he was on those specific dates but…when Lawton himself had checked Feigenbaum’s record he had found that he was in Wisconsin at the time of the murders.

So we’ve gone from not being able to show that Feigenbaum was in England at the time to have someone who was there telling us that the record said that he wasn’t.

[Trevor Marriott]

So Feigenbaum was given two dates by Lawton and when he asked Feigenbaum about those dates his memory was good enough to recall where he was on those specific dates but…when Lawton himself had checked Feigenbaum’s record he had found that he was in Wisconsin at the time of the murders.

So we’ve gone from not being able to show that Feigenbaum was in England at the time to have someone who was there telling us that the record said that he wasn’t.

I think you need to read my original post on this issue and not be in a hurry to dismiss the contents

The reference you so hurriedly referred to was in relation to the Wisconsin murders !!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

I think you need to read my original post on this issue and not be in a hurry to dismiss the contents

The reference you so hurriedly referred to was in relation to the Wisconsin murders !!!!!!!!!!!!

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Sorry Trevor. You’re right. I read it too quickly.

[Herlock Sholmes]

This still leaves the uncomfortable position of having a man who we cannot place with evidence in London at the time though Trevor. What would prevent us finding a French murder of the time and saying “well, it would have been no problem for him to have crossed the channel.”

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

I can only say that I haven't previously been aware of the offenses that you cite except for his stabbing two women in the buttocks. From this dissertation by Cristopher Morley:

https://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/non-fiction/cjmorley/44.html

"He soon escaped, and was at liberty for four days, taking with him a knife which he used to stab Florence Grace Johnson in the buttocks, and also attempted to do the same to Isabella Frazer Anderson, in Kennington. These crimes appeared to be imitations of a criminal called Colicott, who a couple of months previous had stabbed six young women in the behind with a pointed awl"

Cheers, George

Those are the same women George. Morley has mistakenly said that they were in the buttocks but the doctor who actually examined the women said that they were in the lower back. I’m going to have a bit of a read up on Colicott because it appears there there was some confusion, after the events, between the two.

[Lewis C]

Deeming would score a 1, because it's often argued he was abroad, but this can't be conclusively proven.

I think it has been proven that he was in England at the time. The issue is that he can't be proven to have been in the London area at the time. In that respect, he's similar to Druitt, who also was in England but not necessarily in London. A difference is that there's more information about Druitt's whereabouts than those of Deeming.

[Trevor Marriott]

This still leaves the uncomfortable position of having a man who we cannot place with evidence in London at the time though Trevor. What would prevent us finding a French murder of the time and saying “well, it would have been no problem for him to have crossed the channel.”

But we can Feigenbaum was in London on the date Frances Coles was killed !!!!!!!!!!!

And may I remind you that he confessed to his lawyer that he was in London on other dates of some of the other murders

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

But we can Feigenbaum was in London on the date Frances Coles was killed !!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously it’s not proof that he was in London just because he worked for a shipping company that had ships in London at the time but you say that you can prove that he was in London in 1891. You say in your book that you had seen a list: “which showed a Carl Feigenbaum was still employed by this merchant line, and he was in London on one of their ships in 1891” Why didn’t you show the list proving that he was in London in 1891?

And may I remind you that he confessed to his lawyer that he was in London on other dates of some of the other murders

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

CJ Morley’s book is full of people that confessed to being the ripper Trevor.

[Trevor Marriott]

CJ Morley’s book is full of people that confessed to being the ripper Trevor.

But Feigenbaum never confessed to being JTR. He confessed to having the urge to kill and mutilate women and that is a fact by reason of the murder he committed and was subsequently executed for.
The link to him being JTR came from enqs carried out by his lawyer who clearly suspected him of previous murders in the US and then linked him to JTR.
On another note Feigenbaum had served in the Prussian Army and would have no doubt learnt how to cut someone's throat silently !

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

But Feigenbaum never confessed to being JTR. He confessed to having the urge to kill and mutilate women and that is a fact by reason of the murder he committed and was subsequently executed for.
The link to him being JTR came from enqs carried out by his lawyer who clearly suspected him of previous murders in the US and then linked him to JTR.
On another note Feigenbaum had served in the Prussian Army and would have no doubt learnt how to cut someone's throat silently !

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

What about this question that I asked in the last post?

“Obviously it’s not proof that he was in London just because he worked for a shipping company that had ships in London at the time but you say that you can prove that he was in London in 1891. You say in your book that you had seen a list: “which showed a Carl Feigenbaum was still employed by this merchant line, and he was in London on one of their ships in 1891” Why didn’t you show the list proving that he was in London in 1891?“

You can probably guess what I’m wondering Trevor. Did you see an actual list for a specific trip from the USA to London with Feigenbaum’s name on it? (I have to ask why you didn’t photograph it?) Or did you find that Feigenbaum was still on the shipping company’s books as an employee and then subsequently you found that the company had a ship docking in London at that time?

[Trevor Marriott]

What about this question that I asked in the last post?

“Obviously it’s not proof that he was in London just because he worked for a shipping company that had ships in London at the time but you say that you can prove that he was in London in 1891. You say in your book that you had seen a list: “which showed a Carl Feigenbaum was still employed by this merchant line, and he was in London on one of their ships in 1891” Why didn’t you show the list proving that he was in London in 1891?“

You can probably guess what I’m wondering Trevor. Did you see an actual list for a specific trip from the USA to London with Feigenbaum’s name on it? (I have to ask why you didn’t photograph it?) Or did you find that Feigenbaum was still on the shipping company’s books as an employee and then subsequently you found that the company had a ship docking in London at that time?

Feigenbaum worked mainly for The Nordeuctcher Line, which operated several vessels between German seaports and London at the time of the murders. It is known that he used different aliases. His brother told the press that he gave up the sea in 1892 and moved to The US, which would coincide with the cessation of the Whitechapel murders and other murders in The US commenced. I am aware of other merchant lines he also worked for but I am not able to elaborate as this information came via his brother, who was a resident in The US at the time of his trial there.

Here are further quotes from his lawyer and the district attorney who prosecuted him

Lawton then stated, “I later questioned him closely and found that he could converse with intelligence on surgery and dissection. When I asked if he knew anything about these subjects he would feign an ignorance that was unnatural. The man was a devil,” concluded Mr. Lawton. “His motive for crime was his frightful desire for mutilation. I will stake my professional reputation that if the police will trace this man's movements carefully for the last few years their investigations will lead them to London and to Whitechapel. He had been all over Europe and much of this country. He seemed on first acquaintance to be simple-minded, almost imbecile, yet the man was crafty beyond measure. He had means of his own, as was proved by a will he made before his death, yet he always professed extreme poverty.”

Assistant District Attorney Vernon M. Davis, who prosecuted Feigenbaum, said: “If it were proved that Feigenbaum was 'Jack the Ripper' it would not greatly surprise me, because I always considered him a cunning fellow, surrounded by a great deal of mystery, and his life history was never found out. The case was an odd one, and the People had to furnish a motive for the murder. This was the money which was kept in Mrs. Hoffman's closet or trunk.”

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

Feigenbaum worked mainly for The Nordeuctcher Line, which operated several vessels between German seaports and London at the time of the murders. It is known that he used different aliases. His brother told the press that he gave up the sea in 1892 and moved to The US, which would coincide with the cessation of the Whitechapel murders and other murders in The US commenced. I am aware of other merchant lines he also worked for but I am not able to elaborate as this information came via his brother, who was a resident in The US at the time of his trial there.

Here are further quotes from his lawyer and the district attorney who prosecuted him

Lawton then stated, “I later questioned him closely and found that he could converse with intelligence on surgery and dissection. When I asked if he knew anything about these subjects he would feign an ignorance that was unnatural. The man was a devil,” concluded Mr. Lawton. “His motive for crime was his frightful desire for mutilation. I will stake my professional reputation that if the police will trace this man's movements carefully for the last few years their investigations will lead them to London and to Whitechapel. He had been all over Europe and much of this country. He seemed on first acquaintance to be simple-minded, almost imbecile, yet the man was crafty beyond measure. He had means of his own, as was proved by a will he made before his death, yet he always professed extreme poverty.”

Assistant District Attorney Vernon M. Davis, who prosecuted Feigenbaum, said: “If it were proved that Feigenbaum was 'Jack the Ripper' it would not greatly surprise me, because I always considered him a cunning fellow, surrounded by a great deal of mystery, and his life history was never found out. The case was an odd one, and the People had to furnish a motive for the murder. This was the money which was kept in Mrs. Hoffman's closet or trunk.”

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

But Trevor you said that you had information “which showed a Carl Feigenbaum was still employed by this merchant line, and he was in London on one of their ships in 1891”

What is the actual evidence that he was provably in London in 1891?

[Lewis C]

And even if Feigenbaum was in London in 1891, Coles probably wasn't a Ripper murder. I'd be more interested in evidence that he was in London in August - November of 1888.

[Herlock Sholmes]

And even if Feigenbaum was in London in 1891, Coles probably wasn't a Ripper murder. I'd be more interested in evidence that he was in London in August - November of 1888.

What i find curious is that Trevor hasn’t responded to my request. Maybe he’s looking for the relevant piece of information? Or has he simply made an assumption - Feigenbaum was still on the books of that shipping company, that company had a ship in London at that time in 1891, so he has assumed that Feigenbaum’s was on it. I’m not saying that this is the case; Trevor may indeed have proof of Feigenbaum’s presence in London but it’s a little strange that six hours after I asked he still hasn’t provided it.