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  • Herlock Sholmes
    Commissioner
    • May 2017
    • 23033

    #541
    Version 18

    (A) Age/physical health > 2 = no issue/1 = issues creating doubt.

    (B) Access to murder sites > 2 = no issues/ 1 = within reasonable travel (train for e.g./ 0 = presence unproven/doubt

    (C) Violence > 4 = murder of a woman with a knife/ 3 = murder of a woman (including the use of a knife) or murder with another weapon/ 2 = wounding a woman with a knife/ 1 = threatening a woman with a knife or physical violence using a weapon/ 0 = no violence (with knife or otherwise)

    (D) Mental health issues > 2 = serious/violent/sexual/1 = other/0 = none known.

    (E) Police interest > 2 = at the time (without exoneration)/1 = later (within 10 yrs and without exoneration)/0 = none known, not serious or exonerated.

    (F) Hatred/dislike of women/prostitutes > 2 = yes/1 = link to prostitutes/0 = none known.

    (G) Medical/anatomical knowledge (inc. animals) > 1 = yes/0 = none known

    (H) Alcohol/drug issue > 1 = yes/0 = none known.



    --- (A) (B) (C) (D) (E) (F) (G) (H) ---

    13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Kelly, James
    11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Bury, William Henry
    11 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 : Puckridge, Oswald
    10 = 2 - 0 - 4 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 : Deeming, Frederick Bailey
    10 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 : Grainger, William Grant
    09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
    09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 : Hyams, Hyam
    08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
    08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Lechmere, George Capel Scudamore
    08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 : Barnado, Thomas John
    08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Pizer, John (Leather Apron)
    08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Cohen, David
    07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 : Tumblety, Francis
    07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 : Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
    07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Kidney, Michael
    07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 : Thompson, Francis
    06 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Chapman, George (Severin Antonowicz Kłosowski)
    06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Levy, Jacob
    06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Druitt, Montague John
    06 = 2 - 0 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Carl Feigenbaum
    06 = 2 - 0 - 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Hendrik De Jong
    05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Barnett, Joseph
    05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 : Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
    05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Sutton, Henry Gawen
    05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Buchan, Edward
    05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Williams, Dr. John
    05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Craig, Francis Spurzheim
    05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Maybrick, James
    04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Stephen, James Kenneth
    04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Bachert, Albert
    04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Cross, Charles (Charles Allen Lechmere)
    04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Hardiman, James
    04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Hutchinson, George
    04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Mann, Robert
    04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Le Grand, Charles
    04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Maybrick, Michael
    04 = 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Gull, Sir William Withey
    03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Sickert, Walter Richard



    Changes Made


    Altered criteria’s (B) and (C)

    Made amendments in line with the 2 new criteria (B) and (C)

    New suspects added - Carl Feigenbaum and Hendrik De Jong
    Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; Yesterday, 10:39 PM.
    Herlock Sholmes

    ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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    • Lewis C
      Inspector
      • Dec 2022
      • 1279

      #542
      Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post
      I would include him personally, because otherwise Deeming should be omitted too.

      It still can't be definitively confirmed that Deeming was in England at the time of the Ripper murders.

      If Feugenbaum is excluded, than Deeming must be disregarded also, based on the same parameters.

      The fact that Feigenbaum was also a convicted killer, means that he should be included IMO.
      I believe that Deeming can be proven to have been in England at the time, he just can't be proven to have been in the London area. But though I disagree with your example, I agree with your point. Sickert almost certainly wasn't in England at the time of some of the murders, so if Sickert can be included, Feigenbaum can be too. If anything, I'd say it's more likely that Feigenbaum was there than that Sickert was there for all of them.

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      • Fiver
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Oct 2019
        • 3435

        #543
        Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

        I get annoyed at myself for errors like this one but they have to be put right so thanks for pointing it out Fiver. I’ll change it for the next version,
        I only caught it because the discussion of Henry Smith's suspect showed that was probably Puckridge, which means he had an alibi. There are so many suspects that no one knows everything about all of them and that's before we get to errors made by available sources or speculation that was presented as fact.
        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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        • Herlock Sholmes
          Commissioner
          • May 2017
          • 23033

          #544
          Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

          I believe that Deeming can be proven to have been in England at the time, he just can't be proven to have been in the London area. But though I disagree with your example, I agree with your point. Sickert almost certainly wasn't in England at the time of some of the murders, so if Sickert can be included, Feigenbaum can be too. If anything, I'd say it's more likely that Feigenbaum was there than that Sickert was there for all of them.
          I’ll have a look into the Deeming question later today Lewis. I do have one or maybe two books on Deeming as a suspect as well as Morley’s book.
          Herlock Sholmes

          ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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          • The Rookie Detective
            Superintendent
            • Apr 2019
            • 2066

            #545
            I have always found it interesting as to why the police at New Scotland Yard chose to use the death mask of Deeming in reference to his being the face of Jack the Ripper.

            His face was used for many years for visitors to the Black Museum, that in 1892 (when Deeming was hanged) was housed in the same basement; and only a few yards away from where the Whitehall Torso was found just 4 years earlier; on the same weekend as the "double event."

            Eerie to say the least.
            "Great minds, don't think alike"

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