Rating The Suspects.

[Trevor Marriott]

Good points c.d.

We’ve had this suspect/person of interest discussion on here before but I’ve never understood why it should be thought of as important. If we did distinguish between suspects and persons of interest it would just introduce something else for us to disagree on. If you thought someone deserved to be a suspect but I thought that they should only be a person of interest how would we decide? Would we nominate someone to be the oracle who makes the final decision? Vote? Would we still accept the decision?

I notice from your list you have not mentioned who I believe is a prime suspect Carl Feigenbaum, aka Anton Zahn a German Merchant seaman who at the time of the murders was employed as a German Merchant seaman for the Nordeutscher German Shipping line, which had merchant ships in London on the dates of all the murders. He can formally be identified through crew lists as being In London as late as 1891 the date of the Coles murder.

Following him leaving the sea he emigrated to New York when in 1896 he murdered a woman by cutting her throat. He was arrested fleeing the scene and executed in 1896. He told his lawyer prior to execution that he was in London at the time of the murders and his lawyer believed him to have been JTR.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[GBinOz]

Did someone mention cricket?

Not long until the holy grail commences in Australia. The Ashes! In case anyone was wondering. The best from blighty against the colonials. Bring it on!!

[andy1867]

Did someone mention cricket?

Not long until the holy grail commences in Australia. The Ashes! In case anyone was wondering. The best from blighty against the colonials. Bring it on!!

Australia toured in 1888...I can manage to try and pin the Polly Nicholl murder on them, they were playing at Portsmouth
2 hours by train...(Doable) ...Annie Chapman...thetywere in Scarborough...difficult...They were at The Oval Sept 22nd...I don;t know what date they returned to Oz, but may have stayed a week and had time for Stride and Eddows

Struggling with MJK, unless one of them missed the boat...

I'm still researching .....

[andy1867]

[Herlock Sholmes]

Puckridge should be E = 0 since he was suspected, but exonerated at the time.

I get annoyed at myself for errors like this one but they have to be put right so thanks for pointing it out Fiver. I’ll change it for the next version,

[Herlock Sholmes]

I am very much so....funnily enough though Ian Bell was my favourite cricketer, saw him get a century against Pakistan at Headingly can't remember the year.. at his peak he would have been great in the current side
I found Druitt extremely interesting, but its when the facts are skewed by some authors favourite, i tend to dismiss it and I think it was on here or a podcast where it was posited that Druitts form had dropped off..Then saw in his last games he took 5 for not many in one game and 3 in the other, so wondered "God knows what he was like when he was "ON" form lol

And funnily enough too..since I was a kid I was always a big fan of a guy called Geoffrey (who, as a Yorkshire cricket fan, you might possibly have heard of) Ian Bell was an excellent batsmen and as you say, for a period, he was as good as anyone around.

I agree, it’s when people go past thinking “this guy is worth looking at further,” to seeing everything, no matter how ludicrous, as pointing to guilt.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Did someone mention cricket?

Not long until the holy grail commences in Australia. The Ashes! In case anyone was wondering. The best from blighty against the colonials. Bring it on!!

Hi George,

For a while I’ve been fearing a trouncing for England (and it still might happen) but England are playing well and with some confidence. So maybe we can make it a close series? I think that we need a good start though. Sadly, I never fancy England to come from behind and especially not a side as ruthless as the Aussies. Let’s hope at least that it’s an interesting series (and when I say ‘interesting’ I don’t mean a series where England beat all of the ‘low scoring’ records)

[Herlock Sholmes]

I notice from your list you have not mentioned who I believe is a prime suspect Carl Feigenbaum, aka Anton Zahn a German Merchant seaman who at the time of the murders was employed as a German Merchant seaman for the Nordeutscher German Shipping line, which had merchant ships in London on the dates of all the murders. He can formally be identified through crew lists as being In London as late as 1891 the date of the Coles murder.

Following him leaving the sea he emigrated to New York when in 1896 he murdered a woman by cutting her throat. He was arrested fleeing the scene and executed in 1896. He told his lawyer prior to execution that he was in London at the time of the murders and his lawyer believed him to have been JTR.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

It’s nothing personal Trevor but I can’t put him in unless we can show that he was definitely in the country. I realise that this might be frustrating for you as you rate him highly as a suspect. I know that you searched the passenger lists but couldn’t find evidence that he was here at the right time. If evidence was found to show that he was here he’d be on the list.

[Herlock Sholmes]

How about this?

(C) > 4 = murder caused by a knife (or very similar weapon)/ 3 = murder (including the use of a knife)/ 2 = wounding with a knife/ 1 = threatening with a knife or physical violence using a weapon/ 0 = no violence (with knife or otherwise)

?

[Herlock Sholmes]

This is Trevor’s post..

. I notice from your list you have not mentioned who I believe is a prime suspect Carl Feigenbaum, aka Anton Zahn a German Merchant seaman who at the time of the murders was employed as a German Merchant seaman for the Nordeutscher German Shipping line, which had merchant ships in London on the dates of all the murders. He can formally be identified through crew lists as being In London as late as 1891 the date of the Coles murder.

Following him leaving the sea he emigrated to New York when in 1896 he murdered a woman by cutting her throat. He was arrested fleeing the scene and executed in 1896. He told his lawyer prior to execution that he was in London at the time of the murders and his lawyer believed him to have been JTR.

I’ll put it out for the everyone’s opinion. No disrespect meant to Trevor but I’d would be uncomfortable about putting in a suspect that we can’t prove was in England at the time of the murders. That said, as Trevor points out, he was a merchant seaman at the time, so it’s certainly not impossible that he could have come to London.

I’ll go with the majority.

ps…no, that doesn’t mean that I’ll consider putting Van Gogh on the list.

[The Rookie Detective]

I would include him personally, because otherwise Deeming should be omitted too.

It still can't be definitively confirmed that Deeming was in England at the time of the Ripper murders.

If Feugenbaum is excluded, than Deeming must be disregarded also, based on the same parameters.

The fact that Feigenbaum was also a convicted killer, means that he should be included IMO.

[GBinOz]

Hi George,

For a while I’ve been fearing a trouncing for England (and it still might happen) but England are playing well and with some confidence. So maybe we can make it a close series? I think that we need a good start though. Sadly, I never fancy England to come from behind and especially not a side as ruthless as the Aussies. Let’s hope at least that it’s an interesting series (and when I say ‘interesting’ I don’t mean a series where England beat all of the ‘low scoring’ records)

Hi Herlock,

As you know the ultimate result in cricket is defined as a draw. I'm not sure that I would accept that as an outcome with as traditional foe as the old blighty, but the thrill is in the chase. I seem to recall that you started a thread on this subject, so you may care to revive that thread to avoid us commandeering this thread in an off topic takeover.

Cheer, George

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

As you know the ultimate result in cricket is defined as a draw. I'm not sure that I would accept that as an outcome with as traditional foe as the old blighty, but the thrill is in the chase. I seem to recall that you started a thread on this subject, so you may care to revive that thread to avoid us commandeering this thread in an off topic takeover.

Cheer, George

Good point George.

[Trevor Marriott]

It’s nothing personal Trevor but I can’t put him in unless we can show that he was definitely in the country. I realise that this might be frustrating for you a on the nights you rate him highly as a suspect. I know that you searched the passenger lists but couldn’t find evidence that he was here at the right time. If evidence was found to show that he was here he’d be on the list.

Well, he apparenty admitted to his lawyer that he was here on all the dates of the murders and he can be shown as being here on the night of Alice Mckenzie murder and I think that it is right to draw an inference that he was here on all the dates bearing in mind ships from the same line were here on all the dates of the murders.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

Another suggestion is to change the current:

(B) Location/access to murder sites > 2 = no issues/1 = reasonable travel/0 = serious doubt.

To:

(B) Access to murder sites > 3 = no issues/ 2 = within reasonable travel (train for e.g./ 1 = presence unproven/doubt

or even,

(B) Access to murder sites > 2 = no issues/ 1 = within reasonable travel (train for e.g./ 0 = presence unproven/doubt


I tend to favour the last one.