Rating The Suspects.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Amendment #15


--- (A) (B) (C) (D) (E) (F) (G) (H) ---

13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Kelly, James

11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Bury, William Henry

11 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 : Deeming, Frederick Bailey ^

10 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 : Grainger, William Grant

09 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Cutbush, Thomas Hayne

09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 : Hyams, Hyam

09 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Puckridge, Oswald

08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)

08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Lechmere, George Capel Scudamore

08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 : Barnado, Thomas John

08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Pizer, John (Leather Apron)

07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 : Tumblety, Francis

07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 : Smith, G. Wentworth Bell

07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Cohen, David

07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Kidney, Michael

06 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Chapman, George (Severin Antonowicz Kłosowski) *

06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 : Thompson, Francis

06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Levy, Jacob

05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Druitt, Montague John

05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Barnett, Joseph

05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 : Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)

05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Sutton, Henry Gawen

05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Buchan, Edward

05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Williams, Dr. John

05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Craig, Francis Spurzheim

04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Stephen, James Kenneth

04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Bachert, Albert

04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Cross, Charles (Charles Allen Lechmere)

04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Hardiman, James

04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Hutchinson, George

04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Mann, Robert

04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 : Maybrick, James

04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Le Grand, Charles

04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Maybrick, Michael

04 = 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Gull, Sir William Withey

03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Sickert, Walter Richard


Legend:

(A) Age/physical health

. . . 2 = no issue

. . . 1 = issues creating doubt

(B) Location/access to murder sites

. . . 2 = no issues

. . . 1 = reasonable travel

. . . 0 = serious doubt

(C) Violence

. . . 4 = killed woman (non-relative) with knife

. . . 3 = killed female relative with knife

. . . 2 = violence with a knife

. . . 1 = violence without a knife

. . . 0 = no known violence

(D) Mental health issues

. . . 2 = serious/violent

. . . 1 = other

. . . 0 = none known

(E) Police interest

. . . 2 = at the time (without exoneration)

. . . 1 = later (within 10 yrs and without exoneration)

. . . 0 = none known or not serious

(F) Hatred/dislike of women/prostitutes

. . . 2 = yes

. . . 1 = link to prostitutes

. . . 0 = none known

(G) Medical/anatomical knowledge (inc. animals)

. . . 1 = yes

. . . 0 = none known

(H) Alcohol/drug issue

. . . 1 = yes

. . . 0 = none known



^ means that a suspect has moved up the table after the latest amendment

* means that a suspect has moved down the table after the latest amendment


Changes


Changed Chapman’s (E) to 0 and I’ve added 1 for Deeming in (D) and 1 for (E) after George’s suggestion. We also now have only one Thompson (spotted by George)

I think the the duplications that have occurred have been down to careless cutting and pasting on my part. Feel free everyone to point out any future errors.

[GBinOz]

Amendment #15

I think the the duplications that have occurred have been down to careless cutting and pasting on my part. Feel free everyone to point out any future errors.

You have voluntarily taken on an onerous task, so a few minor errors can be expected. I don't think it would be presumptive to offer congratulations and thanks on behalf of all concerned.

Cheers, George

[GBinOz]

hi george
Deeming was a police suspect in 1892? can you please provide more detail? thanks!!

Hi Abby,

As well as the death mask mentioned by RD, when Deeming was arrested in Western Australia in 1892 he was question by police regard the Whitechapel murders. It was reported in The Mercury in 1892 that Deeming had confessed to a Detective Cawsey that he was responsible for the last two Whitechapel murders (Eddowes and Kelly???).



I'm aware that you're sceptical with regard to him being in London in 1888, but an 1892 article from the NY Times quoted Deeming's sister in law as stating that "while he was living in Birkenhead in 1888, Deeming made regular trips to London". This would have been made easy by the new rail link from Birkenhead to London. When Deeming's (aka Williams) picture was published after his arrest, a dressmaker identified him as a man she was with in Whitechapel only hours before the Eddowes murder, but that the name he gave her was Harry Lawson, a known Deeming alias.

If you haven't done so already, there is a great deal of information on recent research here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxYiUUDZqk&t=10s&ab_channel=DarkHistory

Cheers, George

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,

As well as the death mask mentioned by RD, when Deeming was arrested in Western Australia in 1892 he was question by police regard the Whitechapel murders. It was reported in The Mercury in 1892 that Deeming had confessed to a Detective Cawsey that he was responsible for the last two Whitechapel murders (Eddowes and Kelly???).



I'm aware that you're sceptical with regard to him being in London in 1888, but an 1892 article from the NY Times quoted Deeming's sister in law as stating that "while he was living in Birkenhead in 1888, Deeming made regular trips to London". This would have been made easy by the new rail link from Birkenhead to London. When Deeming's (aka Williams) picture was published after his arrest, a dressmaker identified him as a man she was with in Whitechapel only hours before the Eddowes murder, but that the name he gave her was Harry Lawson, a known Deeming alias.

If you haven't done so already, there is a great deal of information on recent research here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxYiUUDZqk&t=10s&ab_channel=DarkHistory

Cheers, George

thanks george
i did t know he was ever a suspect by police, and he may have been in london or close enough during the murders. back on the list he goes!

[GBinOz]

thanks george
i did t know he was ever a suspect by police, and he may have been in london or close enough during the murders. back on the list he goes!

Cheers Abby -

[GBinOz]

The sad statistic is that when a murder is committed, the first suspect is the usually the spouse (Bury, Chapman), but as tragic as that may be, when the murder also includes innocent children it inflicts an injury on my soul. I am unable to comprehend the darkness of the motives of anyone that would resort to such an atrocity to further his own needs, and I feel that it would be such a man that could be capable of the injuries visited upon Eddowes and Kelly.

[Lewis C]

The sad statistic is that when a murder is committed, the first suspect is the usually the spouse (Bury, Chapman), but as tragic as that may be, when the murder also includes innocent children it inflicts an injury on my soul. I am unable to comprehend the darkness of the motives of anyone that would resort to such an atrocity to further his own needs, and I feel that it would be such a man that could be capable of the injuries visited upon Eddowes and Kelly.

Absolutely George. I'm reminded of a dissertation on this site about Deeming by someone who doesn't think that Deeming was the Ripper who said something like, "Deeming was worse than the Ripper, because at least the Ripper didn't kill defenseless children".

[Herlock Sholmes]

You have voluntarily taken on an onerous task, so a few minor errors can be expected. I don't think it would be presumptive to offer congratulations and thanks on behalf of all concerned.

Cheers, George

Thank you George

[Herlock Sholmes]

Amendment #15

(A) Age/physical health > 2 = no issue/1 = issues creating doubt.
(B) Location/access to murder sites > 2 = no issues/1 = reasonable travel/0 = serious doubt.
(C) Violence > 4 = killed woman (non-relative) with knife/3 = killed female relative with knife/
2 = violence with a knife/1 = violence without a knife/0 = no known violence.
(D) Mental health issues > 2 = serious/violent/sexual/1 = other/0 = none known.
(E) Police interest > 2 = at the time (without exoneration)/1 = later (within 10 yrs and without exoneration)/0 = none known or not serious.
(F) Hatred/dislike of women/prostitutes > 2 = yes/1 = link to prostitutes/0 = none known.
(G) Medical/anatomical knowledge (inc. animals) > 1 = yes/0 = none known
(H) Alcohol/drug issue > 1 = yes/0 = none known.

--- (A) (B) (C) (D) (E) (F) (G) (H) ---
13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Kelly, James
11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Bury, William Henry
11 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 : Deeming, Frederick Bailey ^
10 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 : Grainger, William Grant
09 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 : Hyams, Hyam
09 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Puckridge, Oswald
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Lechmere, George Capel Scudamore
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 : Barnado, Thomas John
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Pizer, John (Leather Apron)
07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 : Tumblety, Francis
07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 : Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Cohen, David
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 : Kidney, Michael
06 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Chapman, George (Severin Antonowicz Kłosowski) *
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 : Thompson, Francis
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Levy, Jacob
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Druitt, Montague John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 : Barnett, Joseph
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 : Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Sutton, Henry Gawen
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Buchan, Edward
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 : Williams, Dr. John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Craig, Francis Spurzheim
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Stephen, James Kenneth
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Bachert, Albert
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Cross, Charles (Charles Allen Lechmere)
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Hardiman, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Hutchinson, George
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Mann, Robert
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 : Maybrick, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 : Le Grand, Charles

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^ means that a suspect has moved up the table after the latest amendment

* means that a suspect has moved down the table after the latest amendment

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General request to those that know more about tech than I do (which only exempts the Amazonian Korubu tribe)…

I have an iPad and have the above table in Pages. No matter what I’ve tried whenever I cut and pasted onto them onto Casebook a gap appears between the lines (yes, I’ve tried reducing the line spacing on Pages) which makes the table very long. I’ve already put the criteria at the top and horizontally because I want to reduce the scrolling that people have to do to remind themselves of what criteria is being represented by each letter. I had to remove all of the gaps manually after cutting and pasting to get the above which is hardly hard work but it would be simpler if I cut just cut a paste and table without gaps. Any suggestions?