Rating The Suspects.

[Filby]

Apologies for the late response Filby. I take your point. It would perhaps be difficult to get a consensus as to which criteria deserve more weight though. It’s certainly a fair point though.

Agree, yes and no apologies necessary. I very much appreciate all of your methods for assessing suspects.

[Blackchapel]

Herlock -

The "Suspects" table you posted some months ago is excellent and useful! Respectfully, I would suggest the following modifications to make it easier to read:

Names last so that the columns line up and mistakes can be more easily spotted. For example, Hutchinson and Sickert are each missing a value.
Totals first and prepend "0" in front of single digits so that lines can be sorted by total easily.

13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kelly, James
11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Bury, William Henry
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
09 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Deeming, Frederick Bailey
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Hyams, Hyam
09 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 | Grainger, William Grant
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Pizer, John "Leather Apron"
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Lechmere, Charles Allen
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Barnado, Thomas John
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Chapman, George (Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski)
07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 | Tumblety, Francis
07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cohen, David
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kidney, Michael
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Thompson, Francis
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Levy, Jacob
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Druitt, Montague John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Barnett, Joseph
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Stephen, James Kenneth
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 | Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Bachert, Albert
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Cross, Charles
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hardiman, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - ? | Hutchinson, George
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Mann, Robert
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Maybrick, James
03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - ? | Sickert, Walter Richard
02 = 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Gull, Sir William Withey

Much appreciate all your efforts!

[Herlock Sholmes]

Herlock -

The "Suspects" table you posted some months ago is excellent and useful! Respectfully, I would suggest the following modifications to make it easier to read:

Names last so that the columns line up and mistakes can be more easily spotted. For example, Hutchinson and Sickert are each missing a value.
Totals first and prepend "0" in front of single digits so that lines can be sorted by total easily.

13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kelly, James
11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Bury, William Henry
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
09 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Deeming, Frederick Bailey
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Hyams, Hyam
09 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 | Grainger, William Grant
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Pizer, John "Leather Apron"
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Lechmere, Charles Allen
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Barnado, Thomas John
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Chapman, George (Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski)
07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 | Tumblety, Francis
07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cohen, David
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kidney, Michael
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Thompson, Francis
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Levy, Jacob
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Druitt, Montague John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Barnett, Joseph
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Stephen, James Kenneth
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 | Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Bachert, Albert
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Cross, Charles
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hardiman, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - ? | Hutchinson, George
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Mann, Robert
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Maybrick, James
03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - ? | Sickert, Walter Richard
02 = 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Gull, Sir William Withey

Much appreciate all your efforts!

Thanks for that Blackchapel. I much prefer the way that you’ve set it out so that’s the format I’ll use from now on. I’ve added the two missing values too. Well spotted.

13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kelly, James
11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Bury, William Henry
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
09 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Deeming, Frederick Bailey
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Hyams, Hyam
09 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 | Grainger, William Grant
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Pizer, John "Leather Apron"
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Lechmere, Charles Allen
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Barnado, Thomas John
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Chapman, George (Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski)
07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 | Tumblety, Francis
07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cohen, David
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kidney, Michael
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Thompson, Francis
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Levy, Jacob
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Druitt, Montague John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Barnett, Joseph
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Stephen, James Kenneth
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 | Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Bachert, Albert
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Cross, Charles
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hardiman, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hutchinson, George
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Mann, Robert
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Maybrick, James
03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Sickert, Walter Richard
02 = 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Gull, Sir William Withey

[Abby Normal]

Thanks for that Blackchapel. I much prefer the way that you’ve set it out so that’s the format I’ll use from now on. I’ve added the two missing values too. Well spotted.

13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kelly, James
11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Bury, William Henry
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
09 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Deeming, Frederick Bailey
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Hyams, Hyam
09 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 | Grainger, William Grant
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Pizer, John "Leather Apron"
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Lechmere, Charles Allen
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Barnado, Thomas John
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Chapman, George (Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski)
07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 | Tumblety, Francis
07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cohen, David
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kidney, Michael
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Thompson, Francis
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Levy, Jacob
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Druitt, Montague John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Barnett, Joseph
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Stephen, James Kenneth
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 | Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Bachert, Albert
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Cross, Charles
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hardiman, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hutchinson, George
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Mann, Robert
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Maybrick, James
03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Sickert, Walter Richard
02 = 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Gull, Sir William Withey

nice work gentleman. can you add the 8 criteria at the top so we know which numbers line up to which category?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Good suggestion Abby. Here you go.


A = age/physical health - 2 = no issue, 1 = some issues creating doubt, 0 = serious issue/ could potentially eliminate.
B = location/access to murder sites - 2 = no issues, 1 = reasonable travel/possible doubt, 0 = serious doubt.
C = violence - 4 = killed woman (non-relative) with knife, 3 = killed female relative with knife, 2 = violence with a knife, 1 = violence without a knife, 0 = no known violence.
D = mental health issues - 2 = serious/violent, 1 = other, 0 = none known.
E = police interest - 2 = at the time, 1 = later (within 10 yrs) 0 = none known
F = hatred/dislike of women/prostitutes - 2 = yes, 1 = link to prostitutes, 0 = none.
G = medical/anatomical knowledge (inc. animals) - 1 = yes, 0 = no.
H = alcohol/drug issue - 1 = yes, 0 = none known.



A B C D E F G H
13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kelly, James
11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Bury, William Henry
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
09 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Deeming, Frederick Bailey
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Hyams, Hyam
09 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 | Grainger, William Grant
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Pizer, John "Leather Apron"
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Lechmere, Charles Allen
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Barnado, Thomas John
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Chapman, George (Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski)
07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 | Tumblety, Francis
07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cohen, David
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kidney, Michael
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Thompson, Francis
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Levy, Jacob
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Druitt, Montague John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Barnett, Joseph
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Stephen, James Kenneth
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 | Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Bachert, Albert
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Cross, Charles
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hardiman, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hutchinson, George
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Mann, Robert
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Maybrick, James
03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Sickert, Walter Richard
02 = 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Gull, Sir William Withey


sorry Abby, tech problem with the letters at the top I’ll ask Blackchapel for advice.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Herlock -

The "Suspects" table you posted some months ago is excellent and useful! Respectfully, I would suggest the following modifications to make it easier to read:

Names last so that the columns line up and mistakes can be more easily spotted. For example, Hutchinson and Sickert are each missing a value.
Totals first and prepend "0" in front of single digits so that lines can be sorted by total easily.

13 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kelly, James
11 = 2 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Bury, William Henry
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cutbush, Thomas Hayne
09 = 2 - 1 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Deeming, Frederick Bailey
09 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Hyams, Hyam
09 = 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 | Grainger, William Grant
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Kosminski, Aaron (Aron Mordke Kozminski)
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Pizer, John "Leather Apron"
08 = 2 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Lechmere, Charles Allen
08 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Barnado, Thomas John
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Chapman, George (Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski)
07 = 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 | Tumblety, Francis
07 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 | Smith, G. Wentworth Bell
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Cohen, David
07 = 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 | Kidney, Michael
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 | Thompson, Francis
06 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Levy, Jacob
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Druitt, Montague John
05 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 | Barnett, Joseph
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Stephen, James Kenneth
05 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 | Stephenson, Robert Donston (or Roslyn D'Onston)
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Bachert, Albert
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Cross, Charles
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Hardiman, James
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - ? | Hutchinson, George
04 = 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 | Mann, Robert
04 = 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 | Maybrick, James
03 = 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - ? | Sickert, Walter Richard
02 = 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 | Gull, Sir William Withey

Much appreciate all your efforts!

Hi Blackchapel,

A bit of assistance is required. I’m fairly useless with tech (and I’m doing myself a favour by adding the ‘fairly.’) I just tried to make an improvement after a suggestion from Abby but as you can see, even though I put the letters running horizontally over the correct column they’ve now ‘bunched up.’

Any chance of you doing a table with the letters in the right place that I can copy and paste please? Also, 2 questions. I have an Ipad and use Pages. When I cut and paste the table that you created from Pages to the Forum the emboldened numbers revert to normal so I have to individually embolden them again. Any idea how I can stop that? And question two, when I cut and paste there’s a gap between each line so I have to move them back together after posting. It’s not a major issue but is there any way to avoid it?

Cheers

[Abby Normal]

dumb question..
whats the difference between charles allen lechmere and charles cross?

[Herlock Sholmes]

dumb question..
whats the difference between charles allen lechmere and charles cross?

Well spotted Abby. It looks like Blackchapel has naturally assumed that the ‘Lechmere’ was Charles Allen Lechmere (Cross) but it wasn’t. It’s another Lechmere which Fiver put forward called GSC Lechmere. I’ll ask Fiver for the full name.