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  • #16
    Originally posted by Debra A View Post
    Thanks RJ. There was definitely no John Law in the Grenadier Guards in 1888 anyway.
    The only man who seemed to fit age wise and time wise is this man, William Lawes. also infected with syphilis and gonorrhoea. He left the barracks in July and returned 23 August 88 so that would rule him out as being Leary's alibi I'd guess?
    Here are his papers anyway (to follow):
    Thanks, Debs. It's interesting to see how much time these soldiers spent in hospital with STDs.

    Here's someone I noticed, but I have no other information.

    UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925

    Name Joseph Law
    Rank Musician
    Discharge Age 35
    Pension Age 35
    Record Type register
    Birth Date abt 1858
    Birth Place St Anns, Belfast
    Discharge Date 30 Nov 1893
    pension date 5 Dec 1893
    Regiment Grenadier, Guards
    Regimental Number 1495


    • #17
      Good spot RJ, I couldn't immediately find Joseph's attestation papers on FMP because it looks like he transferred to the 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards on 15 September 1888 as a Corporal. Before that on 23 July 1888 he was apparently a posted corporal in the 2nd battalion Grenadier Guards. He was originally attested in to the 91st regiment as a 14 year old, which was why his records didn't appear under the Grenadier Guards papers. I can post his papers but it will have to be later this evening again.
      Last edited by Debra A; 05-15-2024, 03:00 PM.


      • #18
        Originally posted by A P Tomlinson View Post

        Blimey! That scene from the first series of Whitechapel where the squadie suspect breaks out of barracks suddenly seems REALLY well researched!
        Thank you for the documents Debra, I'm going to go back and have a dig and see if I can trace back through the chain and see if I can find where "John" Laws sprang from.

        One thing that I'm not up to speed with is the conventions used on these forms.
        Does anyone know what a series of entries marked "No Entry" would mean?
        Would they be the result of normal regular medical checks where nothing was wrong? Or something trivial like a headache? Or as a continuation of treatment for the previously noted condition as a sort of "ditto" remark?
        You're welcome AP
        The medical form entries are headed admission and discharge to/from hospital so 'no entry' most likely means there was nothing medically wrong requiring admission.


        • #19
          Joseph Law

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Debra A View Post
            Joseph Law
            Brilliant. Thank you.

            I see he had the inevitable bouts of syphilis and gonorrhea.

            As you noted in your original post, he's in the First Battalion (presumably stationed in Wellington Barracks) and a corporal, so this seemingly eliminates him as PC Law.

            Still, it's good to identify him. Well done.


            • #21
              Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
              so this seemingly eliminates him as PC Law.
              Make that...Private Law...


              • #22
                Here is John Leary #1 in the Wellington Barracks in the 1881 census. Unfortunately, there's a Lee, a Lane, a Lawton, and even a Littlechild, but no Law.

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