Evidence to prove a suspect valid

[GUT]

G'Day Jon

What is curious is for anyone to expect a club member to hand out flyers at 12:30 in the morning.

Why do you find that curious.

I take it you're referring to the time, not the handing out of flyers.

All mt reading about 1888 Whitechapel seems to point to people out and about, buying meals, looking for lodgings etc at all sorts of hours.

[Wickerman]

G'Day Jon

Why do you find that curious.

I take it you're referring to the time, not the handing out of flyers.

Yes, the time.
If he is handing out flyers, why are they wrapped in newspaper?
If he is only carrying them as a parcel to hand them out tomorrow, then leave them in the club.
PC Smith did not say he was handing out flyers either.

Do they still sell fish & chips in newspaper in Oz?

[GUT]

G'Day Jon

They were still wrapping in newspaper up until maybe 10 years ago, or at least some were. But I believe it has been "outlawed" as the ink might hurt you. Boy if the ink was going to hurt you I'd be dead years ago, I hate [or love] to think how many chips I've consumed out of newspaper over the years. It just doesn't taste, or smell the same.

[GUT]

Jon

I wondered if he took the flyers home [if that's what it was] because he was handing them out the next day, away from the club. After all why hand them out at the club, if you're at the club you can just try and direct people in.

[MrBarnett]

Hi Gut,

Have you considered that he might have been delivering the flyers to the local socialist fish and chip shops? I mean, what self-respecting Red chippy would have served his produce up in The Times?

MrB

[GUT]

G'Day MrB

But why then, he asks, newspaper and flyers, surely if they want flyers for wrapping f&c they don't want newspapers.

After all they are socialist, lefty Bolshoi's, this is those shops that refuse to use the good old times.

When they sold f&c in good old newspaper I always paid attention to what shops used the Herald, and what shops used the Telegraph, don't know why just did, also don't know why I'm telling you, but I am.

[Tom_Wescott]

I dunno, when I was at school "6 to 8 inch" was never considered 'exact'.

"6 to 8 inches"? And it might be a fish supper.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Ah, this thread is becoming interesting.

Was it Gilyarovski? Yes, it would explain why there is no record of his being interviewed, etc.

Of course, I am also interested in Joseph Lave. But my chief concern is that he gave an interview. Wonder if he was sought out or vice versa?

Cheers.
LC

I would imagine Lave was sought out since the people in the club were all asked 'Who was the last to come in?' Lave and Eagle would have been the answers.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

With Lave Lynn you get the Eagle statement....since they both claimed to be at the same place at the same time and neither saw anything...that they could remember anyway.

They have ointments for that itch, Mike. And no they did not say they were at the same place at the same time.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Anyone ever wonder why there was a vertical cut on the scarf when the throat wound was horizontal?

I don't. There's nothing to 'wonder' about.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

distribution

Hello Jon.

"What is curious is for anyone to expect a club member to hand out flyers at 12:30 in the morning."

What if he were taking them home for distribution next day?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

local

Hello (again) Jon.

"If he is handing out flyers, why are they wrapped in newspaper?"

Do we know they were? Print looks like print.

"If he is only carrying them as a parcel to hand them out tomorrow, then leave them in the club."

What about for local distribution?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

innocent

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"I would imagine Lave was sought out since the people in the club were all asked 'Who was the last to come in?' Lave and Eagle would have been the answers."

Indeed. But Lave's complicity with the paper makes him look rather innocent?

Cheers.
LC

[caz]

Not knowing anything about Jack as a person, it makes sense to me to put him with the majority. Which makes me disinclined to count Stride as one of his. If she was not one of his then she was one of the others that would be killed by knife in England. Which puts her in the minority, Jack in the majority, and given that most people are killed by someone they know, her "real" killer in the majority as well. Can it be switched around? Absolutely.

So either Jack or someone known personally by Stride? Problem is, Kidney is a non-starter, and he and other known associates were investigated, as the police were far more used to dealing with such murders and generally cleared them up quite quickly. They certainly didn't automatically conclude she was killed by the mutilator. Another problem is that a first and only time killer would have taken a hell of a risk, running off after his single slice and trusting it to prove fatal. If she had survived long enough to identify him, he could easily have hanged as the ripper, assuming he'd have had no alibi for Eddowes, killed so soon afterwards.

Some day, it may prove to be true that the officers and others who came up with this theory were right. But they certainly didn't get there based on any evidence or logic. So without evidence and logic, it seems only fair to question the conclusion.

I'd agree if Eddowes had been killed first, followed by Stride. But to me it's perfectly logical to speculate that a frustrated mutilator went to town on Eddowes because he didn't want to go straight to bed after killing but not mutilating Stride.

Love,

Caz
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[Michael W Richards]

They have ointments for that itch, Mike. And no they did not say they were at the same place at the same time.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Lave says that he was in the passage and as far as the gates between 12:30 and 12:40..maybe having a smoke since many did after meetings. Eagle says he entered the passageway at 12:40.

Seems to me both statements include the same time. Its also the time that Isaac K told reporters the night of the murder that he was called to the passageway regarding a women found dead there.

Cheers