Evidence to prove a suspect valid

[Tom_Wescott]

Wouldn't it only suggest Liz that spoke to, or was spoken to by, a club member?

I don't think the Arbeter Fraint suggestion has any merit beyond conjecture.

I agree on both counts. But my conjecture kicks your conjecture's butt any day.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

Ah!

Hello Tom.

"However, what I do know is that on the weekends a man would stand outside and hand out free copies of the Arbeter Fraint to passersby, hoping some would want to check out the club and maybe donate money. That's how they make money. What's curiously missing from all accounts of Berner Street that night are reports of such a man."

Now you're TALKING! I have long wondered whether a club chap saw some of the Liz event.

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom.

"However, what I do know is that on the weekends a man would stand outside and hand out free copies of the Arbeter Fraint to passersby, hoping some would want to check out the club and maybe donate money. That's how they make money. What's curiously missing from all accounts of Berner Street that night are reports of such a man."

Now you're TALKING! I have long wondered whether a club chap saw some of the Liz event.

Cheers.
LC

IF this scenario is correct and Parcel Man was one of the guys in the back who work on the paper, my money is on the guy (whose name I can't recall) that you discovered in Arbeter Fraint. Why did the club keep him from the police? Maybe because they knew he'd been seen with Stride.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[tji]

Tracy, we have one reason for assuming that Liz was not strangled in addition to the physical evidence, the proclamation by the man who examined her in the passage, who stated that she may have been grabbed by the scarf, had it twisted and was cut while falling.

That is just a few seconds...strangling wasnt a requirement for a death that quick. And Liz Stride is the ONLY Canonical who had a medical professional state that she may have been cut "while falling". All the others were on the ground, on their backs.

cheers

Hi Michael

I am afraid you have misunderstood, but reading my post I can understand why, my apologies, I didn't mean that she was strangled for an allotted time then her throat cut, I meant that the garroting with the handkerchief was used as a swift way to incapacitate her before her throat was cut. A quick grab and twist of her scarf from behind, done quickly for a couple of seconds could incapacitate her.

I was of the opinion she was on the floor when her throat was cut, but I am not sure if this would make a huge difference to the M.O?
Tracy

[lynn cates]

interesting

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Ah, this thread is becoming interesting.

Was it Gilyarovski? Yes, it would explain why there is no record of his being interviewed, etc.

Of course, I am also interested in Joseph Lave. But my chief concern is that he gave an interview. Wonder if he was sought out or vice versa?

Cheers.
LC

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Ah, this thread is becoming interesting.

Was it Gilyarovski? Yes, it would explain why there is no record of his being interviewed, etc.

Of course, I am also interested in Joseph Lave. But my chief concern is that he gave an interview. Wonder if he was sought out or vice versa?

Cheers.
LC

With Lave Lynn you get the Eagle statement....since they both claimed to be at the same place at the same time and neither saw anything...that they could remember anyway.

Wasn't there an account by a member taken the night of the murder by someone named Giller, or Gillen? I cant recall exactly which.

Thing is.....at 12:40 Liz would have been visible if on the street and if in the passageway, she would be visible to people onsite. How is it that both Eagle and Lave missed that?

Ive speculated before that Eagle may well have been the date she was waiting for...if that's why she was there....it might explain his return to the club. I know men that have dropped one date off and picked up another later on...not so far fetched.

Cheers

[lynn cates]

alternatives

Hello Mike. Thanks.

Of course, one could always argue that their times were off.

Eygle referred to Gilleman, the Arbeter Fraint article spoke of Gilyarovski.

How could Liz be missed? One would, I suppose, need to argue that either:

1. Smith's time were out

or

2. Lave and Eygle were out

or

3. Liz had absented herself momentarily.

Could Liz have left parcel man directly Smith saw her and proceeded into the yard to use the WC?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Eygle

Hello (again) Mike. Not real comfortable having Eygle drop off a young lady, then having Liz as a date.

But perhaps to meet? But then, why?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello Michael,

I can't help but notice that whenever you give an estimate of time that it is always one sided with the number being as low as possible in order to support your argument. You do realize of course that since it is merely an estimate, as opposed to being written in stone, that it would be just as easy and just as correct to increase the amount of allotted time for a given situation.

And as far as their being another assailant who went on to kill Liz after the B.S. man left the scene, it would seem that the police were certainly open to that possibility.

c.d.

[Errata]

Anyone ever wonder why there was a vertical cut on the scarf when the throat wound was horizontal?

[lynn cates]

frayed

Hello Errata. Frayed along the edge, right?

Cheers.
LC

[GUT]

G'Day Lynn

How could Liz be missed? One would, I suppose, need to argue that either:

1. Smith's time were out

or

2. Lave and Eygle were out

or

3. Liz had absented herself momentarily.

Could Liz have left parcel man directly Smith saw her and proceeded into the yard to use the WC?

I've long pondered the same wuestion, I consider the W.C. a highly acceptable explanation, but that doesn't mean it's right [before someone tells me so].

[GUT]

G'Day Errtata

Anyone ever wonder why there was a vertical cut on the scarf when the throat wound was horizontal?

Totally stumped, and suggestions?

[lynn cates]

pointed out

Hello GUT. Thanks.

Kudos to Tom for pointing out the possibility.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

.... However, what I do know is that on the weekends a man would stand outside and hand out free copies of the Arbeter Fraint to passerbys, hoping some would want to check out the club and maybe donate money. That's how they make money. What's curiously missing from all accounts of Berner Street that night are reports of such a man.

What is curious is for anyone to expect a club member to hand out flyers at 12:30 in the morning.

Since the dimensions of Arbeter Fraint are exact to that of Smith's parcel,....

I dunno, when I was at school "6 to 8 inch" was never considered 'exact'.



Looks like a fish and chip supper to me.