Evidence to prove a suspect valid

[lynn cates]

Druitt

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Indeed. Some have see Druitt with a knife under wraps.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

observation

Hello Tom. Thanks.

I based that on my observation that the drawing of Eygle strikes me as similar to that of Dimshits.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Parcel Man was likely a club member since:

1. his description fits closely with Eygle/Dimshits

2. the parcel size coincides with the dimensions of Der Arbeter Fraint

Hi Lynn.

1 - any crowd scene photo demonstrates just how similar men in general dressed in those days.

2 - Depending on whether the paper was flat, folded, rolled up or, totally unrelated material altogether
It could just as easily have been his fish and chip supper.

[Wickerman]

Nylon stretches. Nylon gives. Silk does not. A silk scarf (kerchief really. A whole scarf would feed her for a month)

Stride had a piece of velvet stashed away, so no reason she could not have owned a scarf of Silk. We are not informed how well worn this scarf may have been, nor its size. Likely it had seen better days, and Stride was described that night as "poorly dressed", so possibly not a new scarf/kerchief.

... It is a wicked strong fiber.

Indeed it is, and interesting that the Mongols used a silk vest as a type of 'bullet-proof' vest. On impact with an arrow the silk does not break but follows the arrow into the wound forming a type of sleeve around the arrowhead. The Mongols realized this enabled them to withdraw the arrow with minimal collateral damage as compared with an arrow not so protectively wrapped.
(Sorry, off topic).

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom. Permit me.

Parcel Man was likely a club member since:

1. his description fits closely with Eygle/Dimshits

2. the parcel size coincides with the dimensions of Der Arbeter Fraint

Your theory is MOST sensible--devoid of the convoluted nonsense so oft repeated respecting the killings.

Cheers.
LC

The description resembles that of a club man, but not Diemshitz, who was not actually a club member. One of the guys in the 'back yard' if it was any of them at all. Your fine work uncovered the name of one of them that was missing from the official record.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Errata]

Black silk stockings?

No, silk ties on a corset top dress got caught in a car door. Got dragged about 30 feet. Then I got to listen to the ER staff talk about all the silk related cases they've ever seen while I was lying flat on my stomach getting gravel picked out of my back. I'm a believer now.

[Observer]

Baaaaaaaaa Humbug

devoid of the convoluted nonsense so oft repeated respecting the killings.

Cheers.
LC

Did he actually just post that? I thought I was seeing things.

[lynn cates]

Parcel Man

Hello Tom. Permit me.

Parcel Man was likely a club member since:

1. his description fits closely with Eygle/Dimshits

2. the parcel size coincides with the dimensions of Der Arbeter Fraint

Your theory is MOST sensible--devoid of the convoluted nonsense so oft repeated respecting the killings.

Cheers.
LC

[Errata]

The fear of the knife would have been enough to control her, or any of the other victims for that matter. With a knife held to her throat, I'd imagine this threat would be enough to shut her up, and also enough to force her to the ground.

I still think she was choked out though

Sorry to hear about you bipolar disorder.

Regards

Observer

Is the threat of a knife enough? Two women had already been killed and mutilated, and some guy orders you to lie down? I mean, if he had hands on her, he didn't need the knife to control her. He could just force her down. He didn't, but there's no reason he couldn't have. If he didn't have hands on her, with a serial killer on the loose why wouldn't a single one of them decide that running was better than lying down to be murdered? Surely one of them would try to run... knives don't control people the way guns do. At least not until the past five years when for some reason people have become more afraid of knives. But that's a new and mysterious thing. I've never feared knives, but then I've had so many accidents that I think I just immediately resign myself to pain when I see one.

Thanks for the sympathy. I prefer to think of it as a bipolar quirk. I've been under control (mostly) for 15 years now. I'm good. It just made my primary school years difficult.

[Scott Nelson]

There's a whole lot in me on the evils of silk. I had a bad experience.

Black silk stockings?

[Errata]

Silk is much like Nylon when used as a weapon. Though when a man uses a pair of women's nylon tights as a garrott he pulls them tight. The Silk scarf was already around her neck, more than likely worn flat in a more comfortable condition as opposed to twisted and pulled tight.

We can only guess what might have occurred, drawing any firm conclusions is beyond our abilities.

Nylon stretches. Nylon gives. Silk does not. A silk scarf (kerchief really. A whole scarf would feed her for a month) might as well be made of steel for our purposes. Silk also has issues with knots. Knots come undone very easily with silk, so to ensure that doesn't happen, people knot silk scarves very tightly. And she certainly wouldn't tie it loosely enough for him to get his hand between it and her neck. He certainly would not be able to twist it. And silk edges cut flesh. It is a wicked strong fiber. Jerking someone by their silk kerchief and it's zero elasticity actually exerts enough force to break the neck (Isadora Duncan anyone?). Not that it always will of course, but that's an exceptionally strong jerk. And he would have no control once he jerked the scarf. He couldn't lift her by it, he could yank her towards him, but he could not control her landing. Which if she was jerked backward would likely result in her landing on her butt.

There's a whole lot in me on the evils of silk. I had a bad experience.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Tom

Upon reflection I'd agree. However if PC Smith had not witnessed Stride with young parcel man. My money is on Smith's man by the way.

Regards

Observer

Hi Obsy. I assume you're aware of my theory regarding PC Smith's 'Parcel Man'? I know Michael Richards and Lynn Cates have repeated it countless times on here. But I'm curious to know why you'd suspect Parcel Man since it appears he wasn't on the scene 10 minutes later when Schwartz sauntered through?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[GUT]

G'Day Wickerman

The only solution I think viable is that her fingers, like her expression, relaxed after she was dead.

I don't see any other acceptable proposition, they were in her hand, which probably clenched at the pain of the attack and then relaxed.

[Wickerman]

But constriction leaves marks too. Even if the classic ligature marks aren't present, you get marks and even abrasions where the edges of the fabric bite into the skin.

And this may well have been the case. The only published observation was that the scarf was pulled tight, but no mention of the condition of the neck.
If you notice, even in cases where strangulation is less debatable, we have no mention by the doctor of the condition of the hyoid bone.

And then the damn cachous.

I don't think its the cachous per-se, but the condition of her hand. If her hand was tightly clenched then the problem of the cachous goes away.
The only solution I think viable is that her fingers, like her expression, relaxed after she was dead.
We tend to put much too faith the more common solutions, while ignoring what is less likely but still possible.

But she was wearing a silk scarf, which makes an enormous difference when compared to someone strangled with a cord, or even a cotton or wool scarf. I could write a paper on why the silk scarf changes everything.

Silk is much like Nylon when used as a weapon. Though when a man uses a pair of women's nylon tights as a garrott he pulls them tight. The Silk scarf was already around her neck, more than likely worn flat in a more comfortable condition as opposed to twisted and pulled tight.

We can only guess what might have occurred, drawing any firm conclusions is beyond our abilities.

[Observer]

Hi Obsy. The man Best and Gardner saw didn't kill Stride. So there was no reason for them not to duck out of the rain for a pint.


Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi Tom

Upon reflection I'd agree. However if PC Smith had not witnessed Stride with young parcel man. My money is on Smith's man by the way.

Regards

Observer