Evidence to prove a suspect valid

[lynn cates]

good look

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Perhaps that would depend on how good a look he got?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

fresh air

Hello Mike. I thought Lave remarked that he sought fresh air?

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Lave says that he was in the passage and as far as the gates between 12:30 and 12:40..maybe having a smoke since many did after meetings. Eagle says he entered the passageway at 12:40.

Seems to me both statements include the same time. Its also the time that Isaac K told reporters the night of the murder that he was called to the passageway regarding a women found dead there.

Cheers

Hi Mike. Lave came in before Eagle returned home.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"I would imagine Lave was sought out since the people in the club were all asked 'Who was the last to come in?' Lave and Eagle would have been the answers."

Indeed. But Lave's complicity with the paper makes him look rather innocent?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn. What was Lave's "complicity with the paper"? I don't know what that means. And he probably is innocent. But that doesn't mean they figured the police would know that. I suspect he was up to no good in American, hence his trip to London.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[pinkmoon]

Hi Lynn,

The problem I have with the notion that Smith's man was carrying copies of the Arbeter Fraint is that Smith would surely have been familiar with the publication and recognised it for what it was if that was its nature. He didn't. The parcel's contents could have been entirely innocent, but I personally doubt that it was simply copies of that publication.

Hi bridewell,the gentleman that pc smith saw must have arroused some suspicion in Smith's mind hence the quite detailed description he gave however why didn't he stop and search the gentleman or at least speak to him?could it be that no such man was observed by Smith?could smith have made it up instead of having to report he saw nothing when he was in the area when the murder occured.

[Bridewell]

The parcel size coincides with the dimensions of Der Arbeter Fraint

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

The problem I have with the notion that Smith's man was carrying copies of the Arbeter Fraint is that Smith would surely have been familiar with the publication and recognised it for what it was if that was its nature. He didn't. The parcel's contents could have been entirely innocent, but I personally doubt that it was simply copies of that publication.

[Michael W Richards]

They have ointments for that itch, Mike. And no they did not say they were at the same place at the same time.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Lave says that he was in the passage and as far as the gates between 12:30 and 12:40..maybe having a smoke since many did after meetings. Eagle says he entered the passageway at 12:40.

Seems to me both statements include the same time. Its also the time that Isaac K told reporters the night of the murder that he was called to the passageway regarding a women found dead there.

Cheers

[caz]

Not knowing anything about Jack as a person, it makes sense to me to put him with the majority. Which makes me disinclined to count Stride as one of his. If she was not one of his then she was one of the others that would be killed by knife in England. Which puts her in the minority, Jack in the majority, and given that most people are killed by someone they know, her "real" killer in the majority as well. Can it be switched around? Absolutely.

So either Jack or someone known personally by Stride? Problem is, Kidney is a non-starter, and he and other known associates were investigated, as the police were far more used to dealing with such murders and generally cleared them up quite quickly. They certainly didn't automatically conclude she was killed by the mutilator. Another problem is that a first and only time killer would have taken a hell of a risk, running off after his single slice and trusting it to prove fatal. If she had survived long enough to identify him, he could easily have hanged as the ripper, assuming he'd have had no alibi for Eddowes, killed so soon afterwards.

Some day, it may prove to be true that the officers and others who came up with this theory were right. But they certainly didn't get there based on any evidence or logic. So without evidence and logic, it seems only fair to question the conclusion.

I'd agree if Eddowes had been killed first, followed by Stride. But to me it's perfectly logical to speculate that a frustrated mutilator went to town on Eddowes because he didn't want to go straight to bed after killing but not mutilating Stride.

Love,

Caz
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[lynn cates]

innocent

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"I would imagine Lave was sought out since the people in the club were all asked 'Who was the last to come in?' Lave and Eagle would have been the answers."

Indeed. But Lave's complicity with the paper makes him look rather innocent?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

local

Hello (again) Jon.

"If he is handing out flyers, why are they wrapped in newspaper?"

Do we know they were? Print looks like print.

"If he is only carrying them as a parcel to hand them out tomorrow, then leave them in the club."

What about for local distribution?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

distribution

Hello Jon.

"What is curious is for anyone to expect a club member to hand out flyers at 12:30 in the morning."

What if he were taking them home for distribution next day?

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Anyone ever wonder why there was a vertical cut on the scarf when the throat wound was horizontal?

I don't. There's nothing to 'wonder' about.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

With Lave Lynn you get the Eagle statement....since they both claimed to be at the same place at the same time and neither saw anything...that they could remember anyway.

They have ointments for that itch, Mike. And no they did not say they were at the same place at the same time.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Ah, this thread is becoming interesting.

Was it Gilyarovski? Yes, it would explain why there is no record of his being interviewed, etc.

Of course, I am also interested in Joseph Lave. But my chief concern is that he gave an interview. Wonder if he was sought out or vice versa?

Cheers.
LC

I would imagine Lave was sought out since the people in the club were all asked 'Who was the last to come in?' Lave and Eagle would have been the answers.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

I dunno, when I was at school "6 to 8 inch" was never considered 'exact'.

"6 to 8 inches"? And it might be a fish supper.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott