our killer been local

[Scott Nelson]

I think the vast majority of suspects that have been presented to us over the years have never been researched properly but the book's have still been published and money made .

Boy, is that an understatement.

[pinkmoon]

Something that people seem to forget is the fact that the vast majority of people in the poorest parts of the east end didn't live alone in most cases several families would live in one house.If our killer was local would it not be extremely risky for him to take human organs home with him he must have had a safe and private place to take them.

[curious]

I'm having a great week, thanks Monty. Just wait until I've done 4-6 months of focused research on Eddowes. Gonna be a while yet, but when I've done it I'll be the master of all things Mitre Square.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

May be a silly question, Tom, but are you planning to do any genealogy research on Eddowes? For instance to see if she's related to William Henry Bury?

[Wickerman]

Something that people seem to forget is the fact that the vast majority of people in the poorest parts of the east end didn't live alone in most cases several families would live in one house.If our killer was local would it not be extremely risky for him to take human organs home with him he must have had a safe and private place to take them.

We don't know that he took the organs home. He may have, but then again he may also have thrown them to the first dog or cat that crossed his path.
Don't you think the idea that he took the organs home has been inspired more by the From Hell letter than anything else?

[Damaso Marte]

We don't know that he took the organs home. He may have, but then again he may also have thrown them to the first dog or cat that crossed his path.
Don't you think the idea that he took the organs home has been inspired more by the From Hell letter than anything else?

Assuming that the From Hell letter is not from the killer, its very existence suggests that you can come up with the idea of him taking the organs home without knowing about the From Hell letter.

But yes, we don't know what he did with them - only that no trace of the organs was ever found, apart from the apron.

[Tom_Wescott]

May be a silly question, Tom, but are you planning to do any genealogy research on Eddowes? For instance to see if she's related to William Henry Bury?

No, I'm not. What makes you think she's related to Bury?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

We don't know that he took the organs home. He may have, but then again he may also have thrown them to the first dog or cat that crossed his path.
Don't you think the idea that he took the organs home has been inspired more by the From Hell letter than anything else?

Are you serious with that, Wick? You think he took the time in cutting out these organs to toss them to the cats? Why weren't Eddowes' then found with the apron?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[curious4]

Jack the dwarf

I'll go with the dwarf idea - on stilts. He approaches his victim, long coat down to his heels, whips open his coat, victim exclaims "No!" and faints with the shock, leaving Jack free to do what he did best. He then reverses the stilts, bringing him much higher up, and escapes by walking over the fences.

Writing in a schoolboy hand(writing) wouldn't automatically make the writer a schoolboy, just as a legal hand(writing) wouldn't mean a lawyer wrote it. A clerk, for example would often need to be able to write several "hands", just as one can choose a writing style on a computer. I would think that a schoolboy hand just means the handwriting style generally taught in schools.

Best wishes,
C4

[Observer]

Hey, taking of dwarves, I wonder if this is what Mike Richards keeps going on about in the Liz Stride thread. He's mentioned low people hanging around Berner street a few times.

[Wickerman]

Are you serious with that, Wick? You think he took the time in cutting out these organs to toss them to the cats? Why weren't Eddowes' then found with the apron?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I think it was Chikatilo who chewed on an organ while on his way home. He had no intention of taking it home either. I'm really asking, why is it necessary to assume the killer must take the organ home? Clearly it is not always the case.

[curious]

No, I'm not. What makes you think she's related to Bury?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi, Tom,
They both have an Evans family line -- her mother and his grandmother.
They were both born in Wolverhampton Parish and lived at one point in Wolverhampton town. However, they did not live in Wolverhampton town at the same time as she was considerably older than he and left home young, as I'm sure you can quickly do the math.

Some members of the Eddowes family and Bury's grandparents/family seemed to live very near each other, perhaps next door.

They don't appear to be closely enough related to be first cousins, but beyond that, I don't know.

I tried to do a little research once and simply didn't have the right tools at my disposal to go back far enough.Or the interest either, I guess.

I'd love to see someone with the tools figure out if a familial relationship existed between the two and thought you might be the one to do so.

curious

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Curious,

That's very interesting. Seems to me you might be the person to look into that? I'm no genealogist, and frankly I think Bury a very unlikely suspect, so at most I'd view a familial relation as an interesting coincidence.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[curious]

Hi Curious,

That's very interesting. Seems to me you might be the person to look into that? I'm no genealogist, and frankly I think Bury a very unlikely suspect, so at most I'd view a familial relation as an interesting coincidence.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I'm not really the person either as my interest has dwindled. I ebb and flow on Bury as a suspect, but knowing the story that Eddowes declared she knew who the Ripper was and believing that families know and whisper amongst themselves when they have a "bad'un" in their ranks, it sort of adds up.

I don't have the resources to tackle it, but I would love for someone else to.

curious

[Errata]

I'm not really the person either as my interest has dwindled. I ebb and flow on Bury as a suspect, but knowing the story that Eddowes declared she knew who the Ripper was and believing that families know and whisper amongst themselves when they have a "bad'un" in their ranks, it sort of adds up.

I don't have the resources to tackle it, but I would love for someone else to.

curious

I'll give it a stab. I don't have extensive resources but I've got some people who owe me some dull favors like sifting through church records. I don't have a lot of confidence in my success, but it could be an interesting angle.

[curious]

I'll give it a stab. I don't have extensive resources but I've got some people who owe me some dull favors like sifting through church records. I don't have a lot of confidence in my success, but it could be an interesting angle.

Terrific! Thanks so much. Can't wait to see what you learn.

curious