Which Suspects are Viable candidates

[DJA]

All supposition. No evidence.

At least 5 sentences are fact.

2nd and 4th also have support.

[Aethelwulf]

At least 5 sentences are fact.

2nd and 4th also have support.

try the creative writing thread

[Herlock Sholmes]

try the creative writing thread

[Darryl Kenyon]

I mean, I think he can. I don't have any firm statistics on this, so don't take me as presenting this as fact and "this could never happen", this is just musing. But I was sitting here trying to think of serial murder cases where the perpetrator was known to the police in an innocent capacity, and recorded in the official papers, BEFORE they were caught or suspected as being the killer. And I really can't think of one. The only one that comes to mind is Gary Ridgeway, and he was known to the police as a suspect for ...decades? before being conclusively identified. I mean they collected DNA samples from him in like... 1980-something that didn't lead to his arrest until the 2000's. But he was always a suspect. So by that the only suspects would be Druitt, Kosminski, Ostrog... and I don't think any of them were the killer.

Hi Ally

I believe Ted Bundy was a suspect in some of his earlier murders and was pulled up in his car at one point were the police found some incriminating evidence but not enough to charge him with.

[Ally]

Hi Ally

I believe Ted Bundy was a suspect in some of his earlier murders and was pulled up in his car at one point were the police found some incriminating evidence but not enough to charge him with.

Geesh, how do I forget Bundy. You are right, we've got Bundy fit up for suspect before his arrest too. The problem is of course, I still don't believe any of the people put forth as suspects in the Ripper case did it so it would have to be a witness, or other "innocently" mentioned in connection with the case. But Bundy would "kind of" qualify for "innocent" mention, he was if I remember correctly mentioned because he had the same kind of car that had been consistently reported in the attacks. And the police dismissed him, because of course, no fine clean cut All American college boy would be out there doing that. It's amazing what you can get away with if you're pretty.

[Ally]

try the creative writing thread

If this were the standard, all suspect theorizing would be in the Creative Writing thread. The Lechmere suspect most assuredly would.

Hmm....

[John Wheat]

At least 5 sentences are fact.

2nd and 4th also have support.

None of it is evidence he was Jack the Ripper though.

[DJA]

None of it is evidence he was Jack the Ripper though.

That post was a reply to Wickerman regarding cessation of murders after Mary Kelly.

I have much more than that and have posted most of it before.

[barnflatwyngarde]

To my mind, the three most viable candidates are Kozminski, Druitt and Blotchy.

Although I do think that the killer was probably Blotchy.

Nothing dramatic here, just a psychopathic, broad shouldered local man who probably died soon after the Kelly murder.

In relation to my last point, has anyone researched suicides of men in the Whitechapel area in the six months after the Kelly murder?

[Wickerman]

To my mind, the three most viable candidates are Kozminski, Druitt and Blotchy.

Although I do think that the killer was probably Blotchy.

Nothing dramatic here, just a psychopathic, broad shouldered local man who probably died soon after the Kelly murder.

In relation to my last point, has anyone researched suicides of men in the Whitechapel area in the six months after the Kelly murder?

Actually yes, monthly figures for suicides were published in the press.
We did this on one of the last Druitt threads as part of the rational against Macnaghten just picking Druitt because he killed himself. There were plenty of others to choose from if Macnaghten simply wanted to pin the crimes on a recent suicide.

[barnflatwyngarde]

Actually yes, monthly figures for suicides were published in the press.
We did this on one of the last Druitt threads as part of the rational against Macnaghten just picking Druitt because he killed himself. There were plenty of others to choose from if Macnaghten simply wanted to pin the crimes on a recent suicide.

Thanks for this Wick.

If the killer was a local man, I think it distinctly possible/probable* (* delete where applicable) that his death would be recorded among those local men who died, possibly by suicide, in the six months since the Kelly murder.

[John Wheat]

To my mind, the three most viable candidates are Kozminski, Druitt and Blotchy.

Although I do think that the killer was probably Blotchy.

Nothing dramatic here, just a psychopathic, broad shouldered local man who probably died soon after the Kelly murder.

In relation to my last point, has anyone researched suicides of men in the Whitechapel area in the six months after the Kelly murder?

It is worth noting that Bury had powerfully built arms and shoulders.

[Aethelwulf]

It is worth noting that Bury had powerfully built arms and shoulders.

something else i noticed when looking at the medical reports, as well as the wounds to her lower parts that are described identically to those on eddowes, bury also stabbed ellen once in each groin, i believe eddowes was also stabbed in the groin and wasn't something similar done to tabram or am i mistaken?

also look at bury's lifestyle - wandering, multiple addresses (as found out by the police), petty crime (theft), habitually abusive, explosive temper, cunning, knife carrier, prostitute user, range of low skilled jobs - from all of which he was sacked (despite apparently being very intelligent). I've seen a few docus lately and bury's life matches some known serial killers well - there is a reason he is such a good match to profiles of the killer.

Also, at one level, not the top level, the police fully believed bury was the killer. They found out he was missing from his lodgings on the dates in questions, acted suspiciously and had the opportunity to commit the crimes. what else are we looking for than a confirmed mutilator that has a range of genuine red flags (i mean proper red flags (murder/mutliation), not red flags that aren't red flags (lech).

[Abby Normal]

something else i noticed when looking at the medical reports, as well as the wounds to her lower parts that are described identically to those on eddowes, bury also stabbed ellen once in each groin, i believe eddowes was also stabbed in the groin and wasn't something similar done to tabram or am i mistaken?

also look at bury's lifestyle - wandering, multiple addresses (as found out by the police), petty crime (theft), habitually abusive, explosive temper, cunning, knife carrier, prostitute user, range of low skilled jobs - from all of which he was sacked (despite apparently being very intelligent). I've seen a few docus lately and bury's life matches some known serial killers well - there is a reason he is such a good match to profiles of the killer.

Also, at one level, not the top level, the police fully believed bury was the killer. They found out he was missing from his lodgings on the dates in questions, acted suspiciously and had the opportunity to commit the crimes. what else are we looking for than a confirmed mutilator that has a range of genuine red flags (i mean proper red flags (murder/mutliation), not red flags that aren't red flags (lech).

hi wulf
yes Tabram had one cut to the "privates" as i beleive it was described.

and yes Bury makes a good suspect-hes in my top three. and if we only go with named suspects that would exclude my number two-Blotchy and Bury would then be my number two.

[Aethelwulf]

hi wulf
yes Tabram had one cut to the "privates" as i beleive it was described.

and yes Bury makes a good suspect-hes in my top three. and if we only go with named suspects that would exclude my number two-Blotchy and Bury would then be my number two.

I can't agree with that. on the one hand you have a man we know absolutely nothing about and there is no real reason to be suspicious about (also he becomes irrelevant because of Aman IMO), on the other hand you have a brutal misogynist with the same signature as the ripper missing from his lodgings in the east end on the relevant dates and who the police thought was the killer. same would apply to any other suspect - including Hutch - why would anyone consider someone who gave a witness statement a better suspect that a brutal killer. Totally illogical.