Lechmere versus Richardson.

[Trevor Marriott]

If McKenzie and Coles are dismissed as JtR victims, then consistency demands that Stride also be dismissed.

Cheers, George

I dont think Stride was a Ripper victim

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[Trevor Marriott]

What time was sunrise in 1888?

5.25am

[Herlock Sholmes]

5.25am

Thanks Trevor.

So if Chapman was killed at the time that Cadosch heard noises from the yard it would still have been dark?

[Trevor Marriott]

Thanks Trevor.

So if Chapman was killed at the time that Cadosch heard noises from the yard it would still have been dark?

and dark when Richardson say he was in the yard

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[GBinOz]

and dark when Richardson say he was in the yard

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John Richardson, of John-street, Spitalfields, market porter, said: I assist my mother in her business. I went to 29, Hanbury-street, between 4,45 a.m. and 4.50 a.m. on Saturday last.
[Coroner] Was it light? - It was getting light, but I could see all over the place.

[Trevor Marriott]

John Richardson, of John-street, Spitalfields, market porter, said: I assist my mother in her business. I went to 29, Hanbury-street, between 4,45 a.m. and 4.50 a.m. on Saturday last.
[Coroner] Was it light? - It was getting light, but I could see all over the place.

Well make up your own mind as to how light/dark it was based on 5.25am sunrise maybe try waking up at 4.45am and see how light/dark it is will give us a better idea

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[GBinOz]

Well make up your own mind as to how light/dark it was based on 5.25am sunrise maybe try waking up at 4.45am and see how light/dark it is will give us a better idea

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I have done this exercise to check on wildlife eating our plants and 40 minutes after "getting light, but I could see all over the place", it was broad daylight. At the time designated as sunrise it is very bright. But I live in Australia and it may be different in the higher latitude of London.

Cheers, George

[Trevor Marriott]

I have done this exercise to check on wildlife eating our plants and 40 minutes after "getting light, but I could see all over the place", it was broad daylight. At the time designated as sunrise it is very bright. But I live in Australia and it may be different in the higher latitude of London.

Cheers, George

But how light/dark was it at 4.45am ?

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[Abby Normal]

But how light/dark was it at 4.45am ?

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light enough for richardson to be able to check the cellar door from several feet away and to cut something off his shoe. in other words more than light enough to see chapmans body at his feet if she had been there.

[Trevor Marriott]

light enough for richardson to be able to check the cellar door from several feet away and to cut something off his shoe. in other words more than light enough to see chapmans body at his feet if she had been there.

so says the meteorological and lighting expert

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[The Baron]

Richardson is better suspect than anyone from family Lechmere altogether.

Lechmere found a body and informed the police.

But there is a good possibility, that Richardson was there with a body, and didn't inform anyone, + he gave a shaky story.

He went to feed a rabbit!!!!

Where was that rabbit?! Do rabbits need the carrot to be cut in order to eat them?!



The Baron

[FrankO]

The overriding factor in my doubting of the testimony of Richardson, Long and Cadosch is that I don't believe that the ripper would have killed Chapman at or after 5:30 in broad daylight.

Hi George,

I, for one, am not so sure about this. As per the evidence, the spot where Nichols was killed seems to have been very dark indeed. The fact that he only waited 8 days before he killed his next victim, may well be an indication of how strong his desire was to kill again and maybe because of the darkness of the crime spot in Buck's Row and, possibly, her clothes/stays having hindered him to some extent, he waited, in Chapman's case, to strike until it was getting light. Or he may have been so fixated on killing and mutilating a woman that night, but just hadn't been able to find a suitable victim any earlier.

Cheers,
Frank

[Aethelwulf]

There is absolutely no way you can call 5 minutes after sunrise broad daylight. Sunrise is just that, the sun creeping over the horizon - it would have been mostly dark still, especially in a confined back yard.

[Herlock Sholmes]

If we talk about risks then we have to mention that the killer wasn’t concerned about killing in a yard where there was an outside toilet, meaning that at any time someone from the house could have entered the yard.

[JeffHamm]

I see the purpose of these forums as the discovery of others interpretations and their derivation of different meanings. Otherwise, why are we here?

Best regards, George

I fully agree. And sometimes I find hearing other people's ideas and interpretations gives me a lot to consider and I may adjust my own thinking accordingly. Even if I don't, it's not a waste of time because it either helps me clarify my own thinking and reasoning as to why I don't get there, or it may be that I still favour my original view but adjust how strongly I prefer it over an alternative. In the end, the evidence we have is simply too incomplete to really draw any firm conclusions, and we have to make too many calls at too many critical points. But, I do think we can try and do our best to work out what the sequence of events were from what is inherently noisy and error prone information. If there's any chance of getting further (i.e. solutions), that can only happen after we know what actually happened; a solution to an event requires knowing what the event was after all. We don't have to know things to exact minute, or be that precise, but we do need to at least get the order of things correct. And to work out what aspects of all the witness statements, or news reports, or medical opinions, are just noise. But as reaching a consensus on anything is nigh on impossible, even reaching that goal doesn't look promising, though it is fun to try.

- Jeff