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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Personally I think that this geographical stuff is entirely irrelevant and a red herring. He was a local, familiar with the area like thousands of others. So what? How many others tangentially involved in this case, on further research, would be found to have an Auntie Mary that lived a few streets away from Berner Street and a childhood best mate who live near Mitre Square or that he used to work not far from Dorset Street? Most of these are undiscoverable facts of course but I’d say that it would be a safe bet that these kinds of ‘connections’ could be made.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

    It might be true though a file on Lechmere may have been lost. Exactly what is there to say Lechmere was the Ripper? A name that could be easily traced back to him? Finding a body? Not a lot really.
    It might be true that a file was created, not mentioned in the index or by Swanson and then lost. Anything’s possible.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    Lechmere attaching himself to Paul really paid off big-time, didn't it...?

    M.
    So we have to ask how Lechmere, on the spur of the moment, came to believe that he and the man approaching (Paul) could go for a Constable and that he could then have separated himself from Paul so that he could misinform Mizen without Paul hearing? This makes absolutely no sense. We keep hearing of, on the one hand the cool, calculating Lechmere yet on the other hand he’s an idiot. There’s absolutely no way that he could have ‘planned’ to lie his way past Mizen and yet this claim is made.

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  • Abby Normal
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    and does his anchor points of home, work and family encompass the rippers killing field?

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    -- Instead of wasting time trolling me, shouldn't you be looking for information about whether John Richardson had a parent and/or step-parent and/or child living within a couple of minutes' walking distance of Berner Street? Aren't you even curious to know?

    M.
    And did he have a connection to Pinchin Street…?

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by Darryl Kenyon View Post
    And you have evidence that Lech was were on his days off ?
    -- Instead of wasting time trolling me, shouldn't you be looking for information about whether John Richardson had a parent and/or step-parent and/or child living within a couple of minutes' walking distance of Berner Street? Aren't you curious to know? Even if you aren't, surely you're dying to make use of whatever comes of the simple statistical likelihood that someone named as a witness will have had relatives nearer Dutfield's Yard than Lechmere's were?

    M.
    Last edited by Mark J D; 02-17-2022, 02:59 PM.

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  • Aethelwulf
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    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

    It might be true though a file on Lechmere may have been lost. Exactly what is there to say Lechmere was the Ripper? A name that could be easily traced back to him? Finding a body? Not a lot really.
    I think you've summed up the thousands of post on lech very well in those couple of lines

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  • Darryl Kenyon
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post


    Where would dear old John Richardson have likely been found in the wee hours of his day off...? I think we should be told...

    M.
    And you have evidence that Lech was were on his days off ?

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  • Darryl Kenyon
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    Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    Lechmere attaching himself to Paul really paid off big-time, didn't it...?

    M.
    Or by 18/10 he could have been checked out and well , checked out

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  • Mark J D
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
    ... Swanson’s 18/10/88 report ... only mentions Lechmere in passing as one of two carmen who found the body on their way to work.
    Lechmere attaching himself to Paul really paid off big-time, didn't it...?

    M.

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  • John Wheat
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

    I was answering your post.

    The old chestnut about a possible missing ‘Cross’ file is trotted out time and time again.
    It might be true though a file on Lechmere may have been lost. Exactly what is there to say Lechmere was the Ripper? A name that could be easily traced back to him? Finding a body? Not a lot really.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

    So what? There is nothing to say Lechmere in particular was the Ripper.
    I was answering your post.

    The old chestnut about a possible missing ‘Cross’ file is trotted out time and time again.
    Last edited by MrBarnett; 02-17-2022, 12:19 PM.

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  • John Wheat
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

    But there is a HO index of the papers in the Nichols file dated 25/10/88 which makes no mention of any investigation into Lechmere. Do you imagine the ‘Cross’ file was lost before the index was compiled?

    And Swanson’s 18/10/88 report, which describes the interrogation of the horse slaughterers in some detail only mentions Lechmere in passing as one of two carmen who found the body on their way to work.
    So what? There is nothing to say Lechmere in particular was the Ripper.

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  • MrBarnett
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    As for the ‘due diligence’ of the police, would these be the same police who had to be reminded by the Coroner to question the residents of Buck’s Row?

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

    They are being both witnesses. I find it highly unlikely the Police at the time didn't do due diligence and look into them to though. It's worth noting that numerous files on the Whitechapel murders have been lost.
    But there is a HO index of the papers in the Nichols file dated 25/10/88 which makes no mention of any investigation into Lechmere. Do you imagine the ‘Cross’ file was lost before the index was compiled?

    And Swanson’s 18/10/88 report, which describes the interrogation of the horse slaughterers in some detail only mentions Lechmere in passing as one of two carmen who found the body on their way to work.
    Last edited by MrBarnett; 02-17-2022, 12:08 PM.

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