BSM & Sailor Man : one and the same ?

[Damaso Marte]

Or any evidence that she wasn't. Eddowes had no injuries to the back of the head to suggest that she was thrown, but then Stride had no such injuries and, according to Schwartz, she was thrown.

Which is part of why many of us don't find Schwartz credible.

What do you mean by C3? MacNaghten's claim of five victims and five only gave rise to the concept of a 'canonical five'. Whether of not we like the phrase, I don't think we (any of us) can retrospectively change the number and put the word 'canonical' in front of it.

Anytime I use a variant of "C5" with fewer numbers, I refer to the subtraction from the C5 of some victims, in the order of controversy.

Hence C4 = the C5 without the victim most rejected by people on this forum. C3 = the C5 without the two victims most rejected by people on this forum, etc.

Hence, C4 = minus stride, C3 = minus stride and kelly, C2 = minus stride, kelly, and eddowes.

I think it's a useful shorthand.

[Wickerman]

Which is part of why many of us don't find Schwartz credible.



Anytime I use a variant of "C5" with fewer numbers, I refer to the subtraction from the C5 of some victims, in the order of controversy.

Hence C4 = the C5 without the victim most rejected by people on this forum. C3 = the C5 without the two victims most rejected by people on this forum, etc.

Hence, C4 = minus stride, C3 = minus stride and kelly, C2 = minus stride, kelly, and eddowes.

I think it's a useful shorthand.

If you just hold your breath, and listen for a moment .......you will hear a faint whisper from the grave. ....."I am not a number!"

There is a certain dehumanizing aspect when we avoid using their names.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Jon

Much as I disagree with you sometimes, , on this we're very much singing from the same hymnsheet...

All the very best

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

Just to clarify, Im referring to the "I am not a number!" aspect of Jon's post

[Wickerman]

Hello Dave.

Hi Jon

Much as I disagree with you sometimes, ...

You do?
Well,.... I'm glad you're not feeling left out

Have a great weekend Dave.

[Hunter]

There doesn't appear to be any other source for the Lawende 'suspect' being described as "appearance of a sailor". These words have been sourced to Swanson but that is perhaps a mistake.

The Lawende reference in Swanson's Oct. 19th report would have come from reports filed by the City Police and passed onto him by McWilliam. - a description provided by Lawende himself. The same would apply to the Police Gazette notice at the same time. The fact that it was there is enough. Swanson included the City witness description to offer a comparison with the Berner Street sightings, where he appears to suggest that the man Schwartz reported to have seen accost Stride as the best match.

The later reports by both James McWilliam and Donald Swanson on Oct 29 and Nov. 6 respectively, were the result of the Home Office's fishing for information regarding the - by that time - controversy involving the removal by Warren of the graffito in Goulston St. The witness descriptions of the man at the entrance to Mitre Square were already common knowledge at that point and did not need repeating in detail. Both Swanson and McWilliam chose to offer a general summary of the events and investigation up to that time which included the Goulston St. incident and the Lusk letter and kidney. Certainly, the HO preferred a more detailed report from McWilliam, but he was actually not obligated to provide them anything since they had no jurisdiction over his department.

[Jon Guy]

Sadler with fair moustache

Hi Jon

Do you have a source for that Jon?

It`s the Sheffield & Rotherham Independent, February 20, 1891.

Located by Howard on JTR Forums: http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=18316
Post 9. Under the paragraph headed "Strange Offer"

[Wickerman]

Much appreciated Jon, thankyou.