VERY general question

[mpriestnall]

Out of all the suspects. Were they all there? Were they actually confirmed to be IN THE AREA during the murders or at the very least can be placed close by at the time? For instance, we know George Chapman was somewhat nearby so to speak. What about the others? Prince Albert Victor was out of the country at the time of some of the killings wasn't he? i could be wrong. I'm trying to figure out which we can eliminate by sheer common sense.

Apparently Kosminski wasn't all there.

[JeffHamm]

Also, some people who were witnesses, or otherwise connected with the cases, like Cross/Lechmere and Joe Barnett, have recently been suggested, and we know for a fact they were in the area (given they were interviewed by the police at the time, but as witnesses or other sources of information). Tumblety, I believe, was in the area, though as I recall, it may be unclear if he was there for the entire series (forgive me, but I've forgotten the details of when it was he left London? I do believe there is some question as to whether or not he was detained on some critical dates, but that may, or may not, have been resolved?). A contemporary suspect, Pizer, was known to be in the area but was determined to have been at a family members house at the time (he was identified as "Leather Apron - a pre-JtR moniker for the Whitechapel murderer). Maybrick, of the Diary, has not been determined to have been in London on any of the critical dates, but similarly, has not be definitively located elsewhere either. And Walter Sickert (Patricia Cornwall's suggestion for JtR), was in France at the time, though she claims he could have come over by boat to commit the murders, and then gone back, but none of those journeys have been shown to have occurred.

Basically, when it comes to JtR, showing that a suspect was elsewhere, is rarely considered a problem provided one can come up with a way to get them to London, and back to where they were. It is generally considered all the better if there is no proof of that journey, because that can then be used to show how clever he was. Same thing if the proffered solution was a contemporary individual, known to be in London, questioned by the police, and then considered as merely a witness - for only clever Jack could be so convincing of his innocence!

- Jeff

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bury was certainly around Clark and is worthy of attention, as was Kosminski, Levy, Lechmere. Druitt, whilst not living in the area, was certainly within reach of the area of the murders. A couple of ‘suspects’ like Neill Cream and (I hate even mentioning the name) Van Gogh were definitely out of the country. Feigenbaum can’t be proven to have been in the country at the time but equally he can’t be proven to have been abroad at the time of the murders. James Kelly was around I believe (I’ll stand correcting if it’s been shown that he wasn’t)

[John Wheat]

ah kk thank you I would love to get a good list of the suspects that were actually known to be in the area around the time of the killings. Some of the suspects are suspects and may not have even been in the area.

Agreed some suspects were not even in the area. I know a lot about Bury but I am currently working away from home and do not have all my books etc on all the suspects with me at the moment. So would struggle at this time to accurately say which suspect was and wasn't in the area. However on this site there are people who have expert knowledge on a number of suspects. So I think it's best to leave them to comment on whether a specific suspect was in the area at the time. Cheers John

[clark2710]

You're thinking of someone else. Bury's the suspect that moved to Dundee shortly after Mary Kelly's death and murdered his former prostitute wife by strangulation then mutilated her abdomen before stuffing her in a box. Days later he went to the police. With a **** and bull story about how she died. It is of note that graffito was found at there flat stating that Jack the Ripper is in this cellar along with another similar message on another door. Although I forget the exact wording of the other graffito. Bury as a suspect is certainly worth a look.

ah kk thank you I would love to get a good list of the suspects that were actually known to be in the area around the time of the killings. Some of the suspects are suspects and may not have even been in the area.

[John Wheat]

ah kk wasn't he one of the witnesses? Or am i thinking of someone else?

You're thinking of someone else. Bury's the suspect that moved to Dundee shortly after Mary Kelly's death and murdered his former prostitute wife by strangulation then mutilated her abdomen before stuffing her in a box. Days later he went to the police. With a **** and bull story about how she died. It is of note that graffito was found at there flat stating that Jack the Ripper is in this cellar along with another similar message on another door. Although I forget the exact wording of the other graffito. Bury as a suspect is certainly worth a look.

[clark2710]

William Henry Bury was in neighbouring Bow at the time. However owned a horse and cart so that wouldn't rule him out.

ah kk wasn't he one of the witnesses? Or am i thinking of someone else?

[John Wheat]

Out of all the suspects. Were they all there? Were they actually confirmed to be IN THE AREA during the murders or at the very least can be placed close by at the time? For instance, we know George Chapman was somewhat nearby so to speak. What about the others? Prince Albert Victor was out of the country at the time of some of the killings wasn't he? i could be wrong. I'm trying to figure out which we can eliminate by sheer common sense.

William Henry Bury was in neighbouring Bow at the time. However owned a horse and cart so that wouldn't rule him out.

[clark2710]

Out of all the suspects. Were they all there? Were they actually confirmed to be IN THE AREA during the murders or at the very least can be placed close by at the time? For instance, we know George Chapman was somewhat nearby so to speak. What about the others? Prince Albert Victor was out of the country at the time of some of the killings wasn't he? i could be wrong. I'm trying to figure out which we can eliminate by sheer common sense.