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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
So there is much blood on the ground by that point, yet when Spooner arrives she is still bleeding!
Baxter: Was any blood coming from the throat?
Spooner: Yes; it was still flowing.
There must have been a lot of liquid in that gutter.
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
[Star, Sep 9] There is no blood except in the yard corner, and a huge splash on the fence, like the spurt from an artery.
Stride was probably killed when on the ground, and right near the wall of the club. So there must have been a lot of blood on that wall, right?
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
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Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
Spooner said he arrived four or five minutes before Lamb did. Lamb said he preceded Blackwell with some ten to twelve minutes. Blackwell was there at 1.16, meaning that Spooner was in place around 1 AM. Bearing in mind that she had only had the vessels of one side severed, I donīt think that it is unreasonable that Stride may have bled as Spooner saw her.
Phillips was struck by how much blood there was, considering the size of the victim.
Was it all blood? Was some of it rain? Was some of it 'padding'?Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing
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As haOriginally posted by Michael W Richards View PostTrevor, there is physical evidence of strangulation on the first 2 victims, what you feel wasnt required was still done regardless. The silence factor would be one reason to do it, the making the victim unable to struggle upon unconsciousness would be another. And there is evidence that it was done.
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
By that logic he should have done 5 'Kelly's'
And even if he DID kill all victims on Nov 9, there is every chance that he would do different things to them anyway. That too would be about exploring.
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
Sort of missing my point, Fish, which is that Spooner arrives minutes after Diemschitz first sees all the blood - when it has already flowed a long way.
Phillips was struck by how much blood there was, considering the size of the victim.
Was it all blood? Was some of it rain? Was some of it 'padding'?
As for the blood volume at the site, a grown woman has around five liters of blood in her body. That is enough to form a very long trail of blood.Last edited by Fisherman; 10-22-2020, 01:35 PM.
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostAs ha
As has been pointed out there is no logic to strangling first then cutting the throat in order to kill
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Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
That all depends on many factors. Was she already dead as she was cut or did her heart beat? How was the throat positioned as he cut?
That flow sounds to me like a heart still beating for some time after.Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing
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YOriginally posted by Fisherman View Post
... whereas there IS logic to the suggestion of first strangling to kill or at least incapacitate into silence and a limp body, and then slitting the throat to allow for blood to empty out before he sets about eviscerating.
If the motive was only murder and mutilation your theory falls down. The evidenec to suport the evisceration theory is highly contentious
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Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
If you can show me that Stride could not have bled as Spooner arrived, for whatever reason, then yes, I am missing your point. Can you?
Anyway, the point is that Phillips seems slightly fascinated by the amount of blood - even a little perplexed - and a man of Phillip's authority asking if he may use a word? What's that about? It's as though he can't quite bring himself to state what really seemed to be the case - that the quantity and nature of the blood flow was incongruent with the apparent bodyweight of the victim.
As for the blood volume at the site, a grown woman has around five liters of blood in her body. That is enough to form a very long trail of blood.Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
If she were dead when cut, would the blood have flowed all the way to the door?
That flow sounds to me like a heart still beating for some time after.
....Deceased would take about a minute and a half to bleed to death"
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
If she were dead when cut, would the blood have flowed all the way to the door?
Depends on the amount of slope there was. Small streams have no heartbeat, do they? They neverthless run as long as their sources feed them, and Stride would have fed her bloodstream as long as there was blood that left the body on account of gravity.
That flow sounds to me like a heart still beating for some time after.
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Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View PostY
But in my opinion, the evidence points to the fact that they all had their throats cut from behind while still standing. In which case the killer would be able to place his hand over the victims throat to silence and subdue them. If we look at Eddowes and the cuts to her face in my opinion point to her trying to avoid the killer's knife in that way.
If the motive was only murder and mutilation your theory falls down. The evidenec to suport the evisceration theory is highly contentious
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