Could we prove any suspect guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt?"

[John G]

Raven, this is from William Beadle’s dissertation here on Casebook:

“According to a Dundee lawyer who reviewed the case against him which I outlined in the Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper:

‘Based on the evidence presented here, a Crown Prosecution of William Bury for the Ripper murders would have had every chance of success.’”

So in the opinion of at least one lawyer, one of the suspects here could indeed be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the Ripper murders.

Hello Wyatt,

Do you agree that Bury could have been responsible for Rose Mylett's murder? According to William Beadle Clarke's Yard was just a few minutes walk from Spanby Road. And, of course, she had been strangled, just as Ellen Bury had.

[GUT]

Raven, this is from William Beadle’s dissertation here on Casebook:

“According to a Dundee lawyer who reviewed the case against him which I outlined in the Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper:

‘Based on the evidence presented here, a Crown Prosecution of William Bury for the Ripper murders would have had every chance of success.’”

So in the opinion of at least one lawyer, one of the suspects here could indeed be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the Ripper murders.

G'day Wyatt


And what does one lawyers opinion mean.

Nothing.

[Wyatt Earp]

The list of suspects just on this forum is long, and I believe it is only the "short list", people who are strong "persons of interest." Which brings me to another point. I read everything I can get my hands on about JtR. The various authors have various suspects, each with tantalizing clues that could be indicative of their guilt. But "innocence is assumed until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt." Are there any suspects about whom reasonable doubt could NOT be claimed?

Raven, this is from William Beadle’s dissertation here on Casebook:

“According to a Dundee lawyer who reviewed the case against him which I outlined in the Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper:

‘Based on the evidence presented here, a Crown Prosecution of William Bury for the Ripper murders would have had every chance of success.’”

So in the opinion of at least one lawyer, one of the suspects here could indeed be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the Ripper murders.

[GUT]

Druitt's father and brother Lionel were surgeons Montague was a non-practicing lawyer. I personally don't make much of the suicide as evidence he was the ripper. It was known there was mental instability in his mother's family. She, in fact, also committed suicide. I surmise he topped himself because he thought he was going to end up like her.

Where do you get the "non-practicing" lawyer part, he seems to have been gong pretty well with his legal practice based on the few reports we have,.

[pinkmoon]

If I had to pick one thing about Druitt it would be the fact that his brother had no problem in revealing that mother was in an asylum big stigma in modern days let alone then.

[YankeeSergeant]

Druitt's father and brother Lionel were surgeons Montague was a non-practicing lawyer. I personally don't make much of the suicide as evidence he was the ripper. It was known there was mental instability in his mother's family. She, in fact, also committed suicide. I surmise he topped himself because he thought he was going to end up like her.

[Fleetwood Mac]

My view is that there is not a substantial proveable case in law against anyone.

I would agree with that.

I can't see how someone who was never named in connection with the case, and it follows thus lacking any scrap of evidence against him, could be even tried in a court of law; let alone found guilty.

There is more on Kosminski as he was actually named by an officer in a position to know, except we do not know the evidence against Kosminski - only that he was identified - we don't even know that which the witness saw. Again, I can't believe a court of law would convict Kosminski on the basis of what we know.

I still feel Kosminski is the number 1 suspect based upon what we know, but Cutbush is a very dark horse indeed who could do with more research.

The problem with pinning it on anyone is that it seems the evidence/documents needed are simply not in existence anymore.

[harry]

I believe there is quite a deal of good evidence to be gained from the information given by various people involved in the W hitechapel killings.That I personnly favour Mckenzie as a ripper victim,means I am not limited to the canonical five ,a red herring if ever there was one,so can ignore the inclusion of several well fancied candidates for the ripper.I also remove from the equation the opinion that the killer would not change method or venue,and I certainly ignore the information that tends to give what I consider abnormal qualities to individuals.

[Monty]

Just for the record, to argue a case for any particular suspect, including Feigenabaum, it takes courage. You rock in that aspect Trevor.

Sincerely,

Mike

You think?

Monty

[Hatchett]

My view is that there is not a substantial proveable case in law against anyone.

[C. F. Leon]

[First of all, let me state that I am NOT a lawyer (and do not play one on TV) and do not know the English judicial system that well. (Current jury instructions for instance & rules of evidence; let alone what would have been used in the 1880s and '90s.). However, I have served on a couple of American juries and will let that knowledge & experience guide me. If there are any pertinent differences, please let me know!]

I believe that of the so-far named suspects (as opposed to basic 'types'), the best case that could be made to a jury for what we call 'Jack the Ripper' with the information that we currently have available is probably whoever 'David Cohen' was, as per Martin Fido's reasoning. The second best case is probably Aaron Kosminski. The case against Druitt might be stronger if we knew why (or even actually if) his family or who suspected him. Was it just a case of some blood found on clothing after he died? Being sacked for hitting one of the boys? A supressed confession? Or "that crazy Druitt kid offed himself. Must have been JTR!!!"-type gossip alleged as coming from the family (gee, cousin of the brother-in-law could be considered 'family')? I really think MJD being fired is probably completely irrelevent to the suspicions, other than in a basic it's all showing "he's Nuts like his mum" reasoning.

Of course, 'Cohen' and Kosminski were judged insane and therefore unable to stand trial. There's a good chance that Druitt probably would have been judged insane if somehow he had been prevented from suicide and charged (attempted suicide was a crime then, remember?).

I wouldn't even try to charge ANYONE else with currently available information, although there's a chance a few (Kidney, Joe Barnett, John Kelly) might have a good case for the particular murder that they were personally connected with on the basis that "the boyfriend/husband is ALWAYS the first suspect". Cross/Lechmere and George Hutchinson might come in for some more serious scrutiny than they got at the time, but I never hear of Diemshitz ever being supsected for pretty much the same opportunity. Was MM serious about suggesting Ostrog, was there some sort of confusion about him or was that just a case of how BAD MM thought the case against CUTBUSH that someone in a French Prison was more likely than him? Any of the other contemporary suspects were looked at and dismissed for various reasons. And most of the modern 'celebrity' suspects actually would have a pretty good libel/slander case based on some of the acusations made against them.

"And what is your evidence against Mr. Sickert?" "It's this painting Your Honor, with the title of 'Jack the Ripper's Bedroom" (Jury gasps) (Judge (to self): Well, there goes MY day. Why do I get the loonies?)

Would you want to be CONVICTED (these people aren't just making accusations to a jury and judge, they are serving as prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner) of mass murder because someone jumped on a table and claimed "I've done Forensics!" or someone else saying "Look at his eyes. That's one evil bastard." The ONLY reason that these claims are even being made is that the authors can sell books to the gullible and make $$.

And the game goes on.

[mklhawley]

Hi
Just for the record I have not dumped Feigenabaum. I simply re-evaluated his suspect status, based on other facts and information which emerged after I first looked into him.

Feigenbaum must still be regarded as a suspect. However whether he was responsible for one, some, or all of the murders we may never know.

Just for the record, to argue a case for any particular suspect, including Feigenabaum, it takes courage. You rock in that aspect Trevor.

Sincerely,

Mike

[Trevor Marriott]

I hope he did it with compassion

Hi
Just for the record I have not dumped Feigenabaum. I simply re-evaluated his suspect status, based on other facts and information which emerged after I first looked into him.

Feigenbaum must still be regarded as a suspect. However whether he was responsible for one, some, or all of the murders we may never know.

[Mayerling]

Thanks for the friendly message "heading", Digalittle. The intestinal matter is under control, and so far has only meant testing and doctor visits. At the moment it is only altering my summer plans a bit, but not much.

As for Thomas Alva, I agree with your assessment that the grand Nicola was the real rock star between the two (despite the former's remarkable streak of patents), but Tesla never made (as far as I know) a similar comment to Edison. Possibly he did not have to. Edison was largely self taught (amazingly so) while Tesla had a degree (I think in physics). So Tesla could work out his ideas theoretically faster and surer than Edison could.

Yes, when I see the results (in convictions AND ACQUITTALS) in this country and abroad, I sweat a bit too. Right now I wonder what is going to happen in Florida with Zimmermann.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Well said Mayerling

I hope that said illness buggers right off with the swiftness. Also, Edison was a punk. Go Tesla! As it pertains to the topic of this thread, unfortunately a few of these suspects could probably be found guilty by a jury. Especially in this country. Ever watch Dateline or the like? Reasonable doubt gets thrown upon the bonfire. Which really gets my paranoia burning.