Why not McCarthy ?

[Chava]

Came across this and had to reply! I was part of a bunch of Ripperologists who met every week during the '80s and early '90s. We had McCarthy for MJK although we weren't convinced he killed the others. Mainly the missing 'landlord's key' and the fact she owed him so much back rent. Seems he let that go on longer than we would have expected him to.

I still like McCarthy for MJK if she was not a Ripper victim he had means and opportunity. May well have had motive if she was blackmailing him to let her run the rent up. Also he specifically sent his man there to check up on her. I would as well, if I knew what lay behind that broken window! But I just don't think he's in the frame for the others. For a start he was very well-known in the area so he ran the risk of being recognized when he chatted-up a victim. Also he doesn't seem to have resembled any of the witness descriptions of men seen with the victims before they were killed. And the clincher for me is that he was still in situ running his unsavoury rents and his shop in 1909. I don't think killers like the Ripper stop unless they are stopped. And the Ripper killings did stop a long time before 1909!

[Gene Lewis]

Long time not being on that thread, but it seems it turned to other questions that my original one, like the dead girl in MC NOT being MJK, or reasons why the killer DID such a scenic crime...
Second point: a serial killer has his own motives, I suppose, that are not exactly the same as ours, am I right ?
First point: ( I whispered that track before): the girl in the bed, in room #13, was not Mary Jeanette Kelly: she was actually a young woman that, by chance, bore exactly the same name… ;-)

Regards
Gene Lewis

[lynn cates]

alibi

Hello Austin. Can't speak for Jon, but I was with my mate Aaron Kosminski. He was crying over a dead cat. I told him to get a grip. May have misunderstood.

Cheers.
LC

[Austin]

Whoever copy cat`d Kelly must have been some kind of Ripperologist as he certainly croseed every T and dotted every I in the few weeks in which he had to prepare.

**Looks at Lynn...** You seem to know an awful lot about it NOT being MJK...Where were you on Nov. 9, 1888???

[Gene Lewis]

Since when do we need "a motive" for serial killers murders ? ???

[miss marple]

Oh Petiot, gassed in 1 st world war, mentally unstable, drug addict, stint in mental hospital, dealer in illegal drugs, embezzler of town funds and of course,
serial killer.

I 've said it before serial killers are not normal, they have usually led unstable or criminal lives before actually murdering people. Efforts to hide their weirdness by intergrating with society in order to 'appear normal' or gain some status in order to further their criminal activity is usually only partially successful.

Miss Marple

[Gene Lewis]

French doctor Petiot was well known in his community, despite he murdered whole families without any regrets or nothing... He looked like ā very respectable neighbour...

[miss marple]

Gacy up to a point, difference is abusive father, feelings of insecurity, wanting to prove himself, by getting involved in community stuff and trying to conform, hiding his homosexuality, getting married, but that broke up/he could not be described as sucessful in his personal life unless raping and murdering teenage boys on the quiet and doing drugs is sucessful/
He was accused of things before everything came out, A creepy guy and the clown is very creepy. a way of ingratiating himself with kids. America is very conformist
Not like McCarthy at all except they were both well known in the community.

Miss Marple

[Tom_Wescott]

Gene, McCarthy's life is pretty well documented, he was well known in the area,and there is nothing to suggest that he had sociopath tendencies or any need to chop up women.
Lechmere led a blameless life but he is still being fingered as a suspect.
McCarthy was an man of property who had some standing in his community, with various business and money making schemes,some like the boxing, not legal , but far too shrewd a man to kill girls in his property.
He was very successful in his business and personal life. There is nothing about him that suggests the personality of a serial killer.

Serial killers are not' normal ' they are either psychopaths or socialpaths and have tendencies which develop at quite an early age.
Miss Marple

I'm not saying I disagree with you at all, but to be fair, you pretty much described John Wayne Gacy.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
Right back to McCarthy, what's the betting, that although he didn't kill anyone, there is a good chance that he would have known the perpetrator without knowing it, especially if the killer lived in the same street..note my thread ''How strange is this''.
Regards Richard.

[Sally]

I just donīt know.

Great! Glad that's settled.

Anyway - McCarthy.... (to whom this thread is devoted..)

[Fisherman]

Miss Marple:

"Lechmere led a blameless life but he is still being fingered as a suspect."

If giving an alias instead of your right name to the police in connection with an inquest, and if lying a PC straight in the face constitutes blamelessness, then you are correct, Miss Marple - as regards these details. When it comes to the rest of his life, I have far less knowledge than you, and so I cannot tell how blameslessly he lived. I have to settle for acknowledging that I just donīt know.

The best,
Fisherman

[miss marple]

Gene, McCarthy's life is pretty well documented, he was well known in the area,and there is nothing to suggest that he had sociopath tendencies or any need to chop up women.
Lechmere led a blameless life but he is still being fingered as a suspect.
McCarthy was an man of property who had some standing in his community, with various business and money making schemes,some like the boxing, not legal , but far too shrewd a man to kill girls in his property.
He was very successful in his business and personal life. There is nothing about him that suggests the personality of a serial killer.

Serial killers are not' normal ' they are either psychopaths or socialpaths and have tendencies which develop at quite an early age.
Miss Marple

[Gene Lewis]

Is it necessary wondering "why" a serial killer is a serial killer ? Is the motive a key to Jack's identity and able to explain the reasons of acting the way he did ? I'm not sure.

[miss marple]

I cant think of a motive for McCarthy to slice up MK. He was a very successful business, and also upstanding member of community, while certainly involved in some dodgy stuff such as illegal prize fighting, but a serial killer why?

If for some unknown reason he wanted MK dead, I am sure there would have been easier ways to dispose of her than a sliced up body in his backyard. That is so bad for business and the last thing I can imagine McCarthy wanting at any time is police attention.
At the time of Kelly's death his son John was 14, and not involved in music hall. later on he changed his name to Steve,got involved in show biz and married the great star, Marie Kendall in 1895.
Her mates seemed to big her up after she died, she was an artist of no considerable degree, she was well educated, relative on the stage etc
There is no evidence for any of that.
She sang a bit and appeared to have been a professional prostitute from an early age, apart from when she lived off Joe.
She seemed to be an alcoholic who became noisy and angry when drunk, but quiet when not, according to more than one witness, but their is a tendency to downplay the negatives due to her horrible death, even from Joe.
McCarthy obviously did'nt need the money from her rent and probably realised with Joe gone she would earn it back. She was young and attractive and rent arrears were an occupational hazard with the extreme poor.

Miss Marple