Lechmere validity

[Cogidubnus]

And after examination of all the alternatives, Wood's Buildings is indeed one of Steve's more favoured routes...

[Abby Normal]

Oooo, that's got Ripper escape written all over it!

Credit Richard Deziel @ JTRForums

hi frank and harry
thanks! and yes it does

[Harry D]

If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.

Oooo, that's got Ripper escape written all over it!

Credit Richard Deziel @ JTRForums

[FrankO]

so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?

If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.

[Cogidubnus]

so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?

There's a very interesting breakdown of just this in Steve's brand new (today) book...

[Joshua Rogan]

Couldn't some create an animated reconstruction of Lech/police/killer's movements?

There is this one, but it needs expanding a bit...

https://www.casebook.org/victims/polly.crossneil.html

[Harry D]

Couldn't some create an animated reconstruction of Lech/police/killer's movements?

[Abby Normal]

so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?

[FrankO]

You've probably already covered this, but didn't PC Neil say that he was going from Thomas St to Buck's Row when he found the body? Or was that just his or the press' way of indicating direction?

Hi Joshua,

In addition to what Steve writes in his last sentence in post #510, there's also the possibility I described in post #481.

All the best,
Frank

[Elamarna]

_{You've probably already covered this, but didn't PC Neil say that he was going from Thomas St to Buck's Row when he found the body? Or was that just his or the press' way of indicating direction?}

Joshua,

the reports differ slightly, as you would expect.however they can be seen as 3 different types.he said from Thomas street

"he was proceeding down Buck’s row Whitechapel, from Thomas-street,"

"Yesterday morning I was proceeding down Buck's-row, Whitechapel, going towards Brady-street."

"he was going down Buck's row, Whitechapel, from Thomas street to Brady street."


So yes it may have been he entered at Thomas St which we have allowed for in some variations. It could of course be directional as you say.


Steve

[drstrange169]

Hello Frank,for me, at least, that's the best yet!

[Joshua Rogan]

_{You've probably already covered this, but didn't PC Neil say that he was going from Thomas St to Buck's Row when he found the body? Or was that just his or the press' way of indicating direction?}

[JeffHamm]

Hi Steve,

Before reading your quote above, I had just finished the alternative below. As you can see, it has short cuts where there was no private property (i.e. houses), which is primarily on the south side of Buck's Row between Baker's Row and the railway line directly east of the board school. As there was no private property to protect there, Neil wouldn't need to have come up all the way to Buck's Row when checking Wood's Buildings, Court Street and the southern part of Thomas Street.

That way the beat would be around 2217 meters (or 2424 yards), which would be covered in 30 minutes at a speed of 4.4 kph or 2,76 mph. Or in 33 minutes and 5 seconds at a speed of 2.5 mph.



Is this what you have not posted (yet)?

All the best,
Frank

Nice one Frank. That's pretty complete coverage of the buildings, and at 2.6mph at regulation patrol speed too.

- Jeff

[JeffHamm]

What I have not posted here are some variations where he may reasonably have cut short certain sections of the Beat, which will all be published on Monday.
Yes the timing are starting to stretch I agree, however we must remember it's not an exact 30-minute beat, but as close to as possible.

At 2.5 mph (4.02 km/h) the longest variation i have worked with is 38 minutes for the beat, with an average of about 32 minutes
For 3mph (4.83 km/h) those figures are 32 minutes and average of 28-29minutes.

While the 38-minute beat may be too long, the rest all seem reasonable.

I would suggest any beat between 2.5-3mph is acceptable, the closer to 2.5 the better.


Steve

Hi Steve,

I agree that there's wiggle room around the 30 minutes, and I see we have similar impressions of speed ranges. Nice work. Looking forward to your full presentation coming on Monday.

- Jeff

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Before reading your quote above, I had just finished the alternative below. As you can see, it has short cuts where there was no private property (i.e. houses), which is primarily on the south side of Buck's Row between Baker's Row and the railway line directly east of the board school. As there was no private property to protect there, Neil wouldn't need to have come up all the way to Buck's Row when checking Wood's Buildings, Court Street and the southern part of Thomas Street.

That way the beat would be around 2217 meters (or 2424 yards), which would be covered in 30 minutes at a speed of 4.4 kph or 2,76 mph. Or in 33 minutes and 5 seconds at a speed of 2.5 mph.



Is this what you have not posted (yet)?

All the best,
Frank

Very close Frank,

I also allow options for missing part or all of Nelson Court and Elizabeth place.
Of course such is pure speculation, and I have allowed for all, or only some of those reductions, on my major route suggestions.

It seems clear that You, Jeff and myself are all coming to some rough conclusions.

Steve