Let's narrow down some Ripper 'facts'

[lynn cates]

distinction

Hello Michael. Hmm, I deliberately chose "practitioner" for that reason.

The Orthodox theoriser? Again, highly unlikely.

(May have a few of your students in my class.)

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Hello Michael. Hmm, I deliberately chose "practitioner" for that reason.

The Orthodox theoriser? Again, highly unlikely.

(May have a few of your students in my class.)

Permit me to try and follow you logic: If a person is a practitioner of a religion that does not allow...oh, let's say... slaughter and mutilation of a human being... by virtue of committing such an act, that person would not be a practitioner...actually... because of that act? Is that correct? If so, it is an argument that can never be ... well.. argued. I can't touch this one then and you've won by wearing me down.

My students... yes all but 10 or so.

Mike

[Abby Normal]

I see that some continue to cite examples of schizophrenic friends and acquaintances who behave relatively normally. Were these posters to spend a little time with schizophrenics who are not subject to a daily regimen of antipsychotic drugs they might better understand the devastating effect this disease exerts on sufferers.

Similarly, in view of the discussion relating to the perceived level of medical knowledge/expertise viewed in the Ripper’s mutilations, I’ll once again cite an extract from my book:-

But it is the latter-day serialist who places the Ripper’s exploits in their truest light, medically untrained killers like Ed Gein who beheaded victims as well as removing internal organs and large areas of skin. Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish, Dennis Nilsen, Andrei Chikatilo, Fritz Haarman, Karl Denke and Joachim Kroll each fall into a similar category, representing an arbitrary sample of non-medico murderers who have exhibited tremendous dexterity in dismemberment and organ removal. In addition to performing these same ritualistic acts, Ed Kemper learned from experience that, by slicing through a victim’s Achilles tendons, he could stave off crural rigor mortis – a process which, if left unchecked, severely inhibits necrophilic activity. And when in 1959 Birmingham police were alerted to the murder of Stephanie Baird, they became convinced that the man responsible had undergone medical training, a view endorsed by Dr Francis Camps after he had examined the body. Apart from being decapitated, Stephanie had been mutilated in a manner that stirred echoes of Mary Kelly. This prompted investigators to interview four thousand butchers as well as hundreds of medical students. These inquiries led nowhere. Then, quite by chance, the murderer was apprehended. He turned out to be Patrick Byrne, a twenty-eight year old Dubliner of below average intelligence who earned his living as a building site labourer.

I would suggest, therefore, that rather than trusting to the opinions of men who had no experience whatever of the sadosexual serial offender, we should evaluate the Ripper’s activities in context of more recent criminal history. Once we do, the injuries inflicted by this man may be seen as anything but remarkable. Indeed, far more extensive and complex procedures have been undertaken by offenders who had undergone not the slightest medical training.

Hi Garry
Very interesting-thanks for posting that.

What is the name of your book and where can I get it?
Thanks!

[Malcolm X]

what is the likelihood of ever seeing an 100ft Anaconda, virtually impossible, because Science and Nature tells you it cant exist....i think Lynn that you are letting your imagination run riot, just like those Cryptozoologists that i used to be so keen on years ago.

everything tells you that JTR was definitely seen, not just once, at least 4 times and this guy is joe average East Ender, he is almost definitely a white boy.... sailor boy... builder boy..... labourer boy and it looks like now that he's under 30, thanks to DVV and Michael

the one thing in life that seems quite fixed is statistics, probability, maths, science and nature, but not our Universe.... i think!...... the same guy or very close to him, keeps being seen especially in these other hap-hazard style murders, this is raising my suspicion quite a lot

[DVV]

Reasonable posters? You mean those with whom you agree?
LC

No, my dear.
Believing there was a serial killer named X or Y is one thing.
Denying there was a serial killer in the East End 1888 is something else.
All serial killers got caught in your logic. When they don't, then they don't exist. How strange.

[Ben]

Hi Abby,

Garry's excellent book can be read in full here:

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/non-fiction/garrywroe_full.html

All the best,
Ben

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,

Garry's excellent book can be read in full here:

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/non-fiction/garrywroe_full.html

All the best,
Ben

Thanks Ben!!

[Malcolm X]

with regards to Schizophrenics, you have to realise as a Hospital Porter for 4 years, that i've met loads of them, i suppose it doesn't help that if they come to A& E, that they are bound to be having problems of one sort of another, so no i haven't met any that are normal, i wouldn't be able to tell would i.... obviously, so yes i'm probably wrong with regards to the vast majority, i.e it's maybe only 2% that are as bad as the ones i've seen.... enough said now.

a Schizophrenic who is ill enough already to be JTR, WHEN HE IS IN KILLING MODE is very disorganised, halucinating, extremely violent and making a massive amount of noise. now i'm only refering to JTR as a full blown Schizophrenic here, please dont misquote me.

i was thinking a lot about this lately, because in the early murders it looks like he's asking for/ demanding something, being told no and insulted too, and thus switching into a temper tantrum, loosing control, stabbing as a crazy person and then legging it, but this attack varies.... it looks similar after JTR too.

JTR is not, he's way more controlled..... UNLESS he's not bothering to ask anymore, because he knows that he'll get told to clear off, so he just kills instead and lives out his perversion soon after.

i'm wondering if he's after Perverted/ deviant sex, being called a weirdo and thus loosing his rag as if he's had his face and ego slapped !

this is just an idea, but he seems to be lashing out suddenly and running off, as if he's a naughty boy that mummy has just slapped !

interesting, not sure

[lynn cates]

rectification of names

Hello Michael. That seems essentially correct. Socrates and Confucius both held something like this doctrine. It is called "The rectification of names."

No, I did not win; rather, we achieved understanding.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

serial killers

Hello David. No, there are modern day serial killers who likely have not been caught. Was there a Zodiac or something of that sort?

Frequently, these lads have read about "JTR." (Kurten comes to mind.) But how many of them were read by the WC murderer?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

my lad

Hello Malcolm.

"a Schizophrenic who is ill enough already to be JTR, WHEN HE IS IN KILLING MODE is very disorganised, hallucinating, extremely violent and making a massive amount of noise. "

Just so. And this precisely describes my lad, JI.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Hello Michael. That seems essentially correct. Socrates and Confucius both held something like this doctrine. It is called "The rectification of names."

It makes sense to me. It just basically means that no one can ever be defined. I'd agree to that. Like for example, what a schizophrenic is. People can spew clinical definitions, but never really capture an individual's disorder. Kind of ding an sich-ish stuff. Back to the serial killer argument then. There are no serial killers except by society's definition, for that does not describe the thing as it is.

Mike

[Malcolm X]

Hello David. No, there are modern day serial killers who likely have not been caught. Was there a Zodiac or something of that sort?

Frequently, these lads have read about "JTR." (Kurten comes to mind.) But how many of them were read by the WC murderer?

Cheers.
LC

yea Zodiac was never caught, nobody knows what happened to him, but he was not a heavyweight mutilator like our Jack... he prefered to shoot them, he quite often targeted young lovers as well.

oh yes, you can guarantee that there are serial killers on this forum !!!!!!

[lynn cates]

dingy reply

Hello Michael. With your adverting to Kant, you are speaking my language.

But there is also the ding-fur-uns. And fur-uns, the serial killer is defined as . . . etc, etc.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Hello Michael. With your adverting to Kant, you are speaking my language.

But there is also the ding-fur-uns. And fur-uns, the serial killer is defined as . . . etc, etc.

Cheers.
LC

I can't go there. I need to be the killer to explain what I am. Anything else is mere convenience and lacks accuracy. Anyway... off to find another one.

Mike