what about . . . ?
Hello Malcolm.
"Oh yes, I'm definitely suggesting a change in motive . . ."
Very well. But I was given to understand that serial killers do not change motive? (Of course, I think serial killing has nothing to do with it.)
" . . . because the evidence for this is there"
As you wish. But I have difficulty seeing it.
" . . . but what I'm saying is this anti-semitic theme, isn't in the MJK murder, we see no evidence of this . . ."
Completely agreed.
" . . . that is, if you favour JTR to be Blotchy . . . "
I don't.
" . . . only GH continues this."
How? Surely not by describing A-Man as Jewish looking?
" . . . why he chose to blame them, plus to up his mutilations to the face and the body of MJK goes way beyond me . . ."
Well, with a change in technique and motive, a rather obvious suggestion presents itself.
" . . . my guess is it's to deflect police attention away from him and onto a JEW that's rapidly going insane."
Were the police really attending to him? Did they have a prime suspect at this time?
" . . . he was probably interested in the mutilations too, but it's more of a mixture of quite a few things, rather than one thing only."
Did you say mixture of motives or mixture of perpetrators?
Cheers.
LC
Who are the mostly likely suspects?
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Originally posted by lynn cates View PostHello Malcolm. Almost missed you. So sorry.
" . . . he started his anti-semitic rubbish at Dutfields only, but he didn't bother with regards to MJK . . ."
But why start then? Are you suggesting a complete change of motive?
"........ you only see this from GH and no other top suspect!"
To describe someone as looking Jewish is not necessarily anti-semitic. In his mind perhaps just a statement of fact? (Umm, top suspect?)
"GH carried on what JTR started a month earlier...............Blotchy Face did not."
What did "he" start a month earlier? And who was Blotchy anyway?
"Now 2 + 2 = 4 doesn't it?"
Well, I should think so. I should also think that would be MY line.
Cheers.
LC
oh yes, i'm definitely suggesting a change in motive, because the evidence for this is there, but what i'm saying is this anti-semetic theme, isn't in the MJK murder, we see no evidence of this..... that is, if you favour JTR to be Blotchy..... only GH continues this.
why he chose to blame them, plus to up his mutilations to the face and the body of MJK goes way beyond me, my guess is it's to deflect police attention away from him and onto a JEW that's rapidly going insane.
he was probably interested in the mutilations too, but it's more of a mixture of quite a few things, rather than one thing only.
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toke it to the limit
Hello Michael. Um, I don't smoke foreign substances.
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LC
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Originally posted by lynn cates View PostHello Michael. Ah, but as CS Lewis observed, sometimes reality is not simple.
I seek neither simplicity nor complications--only truth. (Ugh, sounds a bit stilted. So sorry.)
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LC
Mike
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Hello Michael. Ah, but as CS Lewis observed, sometimes reality is not simple.
I seek neither simplicity nor complications--only truth. (Ugh, sounds a bit stilted. So sorry.)
Cheers.
LC
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Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
Nor I. Farewell, then, minimalism. (I'd say, good riddance. Heh-heh)
Would I ever come back? -key David Bowie's Space Oddity-
Mike
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostYou're basing your conclusions about the quality of my research on whether or not I agree with your conclusions on this one issue. You're entitled to your opinion; I'm entitled to mine.
What do we have ? On the one hand, a strange 6'7 that is absolutely uncorroborated, and even in conflict with the weight, the medical notes, and the witnesses testimonies. On the other hand, a scrupulous researcher, ie Debs, who is suggesting that it could be a mistake, and provides a very sensible solution (once again, based on soldiers height for the same period).
It's therefore clearly not a matter of opinion, but mere common-sense. Yes, it could be a mistake, and perhaps, as Debs suggested, Fleming was actually 5'7.
If you can understand that was all I meant (and also accept my excuse for having been a bit rude), then you'll be miles ahead The Good Michael, whose risible strategy is to escape questions when proven wrong.Last edited by DVV; 01-26-2012, 03:49 PM.
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minimalism
Hello Michael. Missed your earlier post. Sorry.
"Call me naive, but I can't see 5 or 6 copycats running around . . ."
I see Kate as the only true copycat. Not sure that MJK was intentional copycatting. Many see no problem with Coles and McKenzie.
" . . . nor can I see what was done to Kelly as being a one off."
Very well. But the manner certainly was.
"These things are possible, but in my attempts at reasoning out such things, I'm finding no easy answers."
Nor I. Farewell, then, minimalism. (I'd say, good riddance. Heh-heh)
Cheers.
LCLast edited by lynn cates; 01-26-2012, 03:51 PM.
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whose line?
Hello Malcolm. Almost missed you. So sorry.
" . . . he started his anti-semitic rubbish at Dutfields only, but he didn't bother with regards to MJK . . ."
But why start then? Are you suggesting a complete change of motive?
"........ you only see this from GH and no other top suspect!"
To describe someone as looking Jewish is not necessarily anti-semitic. In his mind perhaps just a statement of fact? (Umm, top suspect?)
"GH carried on what JTR started a month earlier...............Blotchy Face did not."
What did "he" start a month earlier? And who was Blotchy anyway?
"Now 2 + 2 = 4 doesn't it?"
Well, I should think so. I should also think that would be MY line.
Cheers.
LC
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostYou're basing your conclusions about the quality of my research on whether or not I agree with your conclusions on this one issue. You're entitled to your opinion; I'm entitled to mine.
It's what they do when you don't agree. It's fun to stir 'em up though. It keeps you a step ahead of them.
Mike
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In search of Blotchy.
Hello Michael. Thanks for that.
You are right about the investigation of Blotchy. I found a snippet in "The Echo" in which all the local pubs had their bar tenders chatted up concerning Blotchy. None recognised the description. Next they questioned the "pot boys" about "pot returns" at Miller's court. No luck again.
Sometimes we forget how thorough the Met were.
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LC
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Originally posted by DVV View PostHi Ben,
agreed, as usual. Bridewell must be another top-researcher whose knowledge is so vast that he doesn't have to pay attention to Debs reasoning and suggestion.
Peter Crouch in the loony bin, 1892...Sigh.....
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2 points
Hello Abby. Thanks. Two quick points.
1. If they drank together, got comfortable together, perhaps even passed out together, where was the knife at this time? If it were concealed in his coat, would not that have been off whilst he were "relaxing"?
2. What was GH's motive for making up the A-man story? To be important?
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LC
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
Blotchy was the last man seen with mary in her place (discounting A-man) and therefore has to IMHO be the best bet for her killer and therfore JtR.
Lynn does ask the good questions.
Mike
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Originally posted by lynn cates View PostHello Abby. If Blotchy killed MJK, it must have been after about 45 minutes (or more) of regaling him with Irish folk music.
Why did he wait so long?
Cheers.
LC
Thats a great question-one of which I have struggled with mightily.
Perhaps he enjoyed her singing, her company-drinking with her. perhaps they passed out together and he woke up at a later time and killed her.
I think Hutch's A-man and story of seeing mary that night was fictitious. Although I think he was their waiting (confirmed by Sarah Lewis) for her guest to leave-in this scenario, Blotchy.
Blotchy was the last man seen with mary in her place (discounting A-man) and therefore has to IMHO be the best bet for her killer and therfore JtR.
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