Who are the mostly likely suspects?

[Malcolm X]

I tend to agree, althought one might object that GH precisely invented a Jewish scape-goat because of previous anti-semitic echoes (Leather Apron, Mrs Long suspect, DY, GSG).

yes, i cant argue against this, except that he seems so suspicious over everything else as well

[DVV]

no, because he started his anti-semetic rubbish at Dutfields only, but he didn't bother with regards to MJK ........ you only see this from GH and no other top suspect !

I tend to agree, althought one might object that GH precisely invented a Jewish scape-goat because of previous anti-semitic echoes (Leather Apron, Mrs Long suspect, DY, GSG).

[The Good Michael]

Hello Michael. Then why not leave "serial killer" out?

Lynn,

Why not indeed. Call me naive, but I can't see 5 or 6 copycats running around, nor can I see what was done to Kelly as being a one off. These things are possible, but in my attempts at reasoning out such things, I'm finding no easy answers.

Mike

[DVV]

Aside from Kosminski (who's a stretch), and Druitt (if one connects dots and makes a mountain out of a molehill) and Kelly (though there is no evidence), we have no one who takes less than a herculean effort to make into a serial killer.

Mike

It sure needs a herculean effort to agree with this post. I fail to see what makes Druitt and Kosminski possible serial killers more than other suspects.

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm.

"the only thing wrong with Blotchy, is that he doesn't leave anything anti- semitic at the murder scene.... because if JTR did at Ghoulston st, then he would have at Millers court as well."

And, by parity of reasoning, perhaps Buck's Row and Hanbury?

Cheers.
LC

no, because he started his anti-semetic rubbish at Dutfields only, but he didn't bother with regards to MJK ........ you only see this from GH and no other top suspect !

GH carried on what JTR started a month earlier...............Blotchy Face did not.

now 2 + 2 = 4 doesn't it.

[DVV]

Here's a question for you David...

When it was said that Mary was still visited by an ex- boyfriend called 'Joe', of whom she was still fond ...why couldn't that refer to Joe Barnett, who we know still visited her, and who was obviously still fond of her, and was an 'ex' ?

Oh, that is hilarious...Barnett telling the inquest that Kelly was visited by...himself.

Can't believe my eyes. Indeed, no Flamingo would ask questions of that kind.

"...she lived (...) with Joseph Flemming, she was very fond of him. (...) Flemming used to visit her..."
Barnett, at the inquest.

[lynn cates]

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Hello Michael. Then why not leave "serial killer" out?

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Hello Malcolm.

"the only thing wrong with Blotchy, is that he doesn't leave anything anti- semitic at the murder scene.... because if JTR did at Ghoulston st, then he would have at Millers court as well."

And, by parity of reasoning, perhaps Buck's Row and Hanbury?

How do we know he did or didn't? Were the police consciously looking for such things? Would they even have known if something was left that was a message?
Obviously the apron and graffiti is a glaring message, though it's absolutely a stretch to think the murderer wrote it. Read it? Sure. Liked it? why not? But wrote it? I don't believe so.

To the topic. Aside from Kosminski (who's a stretch), and Druitt (if one connects dots and makes a mountain out of a molehill) and Kelly (though there is no evidence), we have no one who takes less than a herculean effort to make into a serial killer.

Mike

[lynn cates]

antisemitism

Hello Malcolm.

"the only thing wrong with Blotchy, is that he doesn't leave anything anti- semitic at the murder scene.... because if JTR did at Ghoulston st, then he would have at Millers court as well."

And, by parity of reasoning, perhaps Buck's Row and Hanbury?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

the Flemingo on the right is called the ``greater Flemingo``, he's 6ft 7''' tall and weighs 11 stone

[The Good Michael]

(I loved the term 'Flemingos', as well ! )

Here's a question for you David...

When it was said that Mary was still visited by an ex- boyfriend called 'Joe', of whom she was still fond ...why couldn't that refer to Joe Barnett, who we know still visited her, and who was obviously still fond of her, and was an 'ex' ?

Ruby,

Sorry to butt in. Vanturney said that it was another Joe. She also said she thought he was a costermonger. When Richard brought up the thought that it could have been a completely different Joe, and rightly so, David called him ridiculous because it didn't fit David's preconceived notions of some 8 years ago.

Mike

[Malcolm X]

the only thing wrong with Blotchy, is that he doesn't leave anything anti- semetic at the murder scene.... because if JTR did at Ghoulston st, then he would have at Millers court as well.

you see, it looks like he was moving on and starting to play games with the police, but with MJK he's gone quiet again, yet become far more repulsive.

if JTR is not GH, then something is not right here.

why would JTR, if the police have no idea who the hell he is, suddenly stop mutilating, choosing instead to downgrade himself, back to what he once was before Tabram !!!!

1.......he got her heart and after this needed nothing else
2.......Kelly was the last of 5 murders required
3.......JTR was known to the police, or things were getting too hot.
4.......JTR went to the police.

this i cant help feeling so suspicious about, it makes no sense to me and is fundamental

JTR downgraded and stopped, because for whatever reason, the police were far too close to him.

GH......GEORGE CHAPMAN and thirdly, Blotchy

of these by far the most likely to be JTR, is either of the GHs and it could quite easily be Toppy, but if so, he would need have a very similar personality/mindset to the BTK killer, i.e he doesn't really care less if he waits another 10 years before killing again, or decides to stop completely.

this type is extremely rare, but that TV program on ``Quest`` is a perfect example of someone like this.

but to be honest, it looks like GH is someone else and Toppy is innocent

[Rubyretro]

(I loved the term 'Flemingos', as well ! )

Here's a question for you David...

When it was said that Mary was still visited by an ex- boyfriend called 'Joe', of whom she was still fond ...why couldn't that refer to Joe Barnett, who we know still visited her, and who was obviously still fond of her, and was an 'ex' ?

[DVV]

Fair enough, Bridewell.

Poor Flemingos are accused of being blind and stubborn when they merely and reasonably suspect a mistake in a hand-written file.

[Bridewell]

I Like Flemingos

Flemingos.

I couldn't help but notice that after a marked lull in the Fleming discussion, you decide to bring up the issue again, despite being the one to complain a few posts ago that the debate over him was hijacking the thread.

No, Fleming was probably not 6'7" or anything close, and for the reasons discussed ad nauseam, the entry was almost certainly in error.

Hi Ben,

It's a fair cop, guvnor. I'm bang to rights!

If I can be permitted to use the F word just once more, I do like the term "Flemingos".

Regards, Bridewell.