Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[GregBaron]

Blood Lust...

Hello Greg. And the obvious follow up is, Which "lust murder" preceded her?--for comparison purposes, of course.

There's always a first Lynn, the rebel without a cause. In this case it may be Vlad the Impaler.

[lynn cates]

genus and species

Hello Greg. I daresay Vlad had his antecedents in Tiglathpileser. If I recall properly, there is a stele extant in which he was depicted to have impaled some enemy troops. Presumably, this was done for psychological reasons--terror, etc.

I guess my question has to do with fixing a genus from which to place the various species. I suppose that Kurten (forgive the absent umlaut--keyboard, you know) could serve as a paradigm for that genus. Now we know that, if a murder occurs today, approximating some of his, a lust murder could be possible. And Kurten is said to have studied the "JTR" case.

So, what entitles us to do the same with Eddowes and "JTR"?

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Just a term...

So, what entitles us to do the same with Eddowes and "JTR"?

You're forgiven for the absent umlaut Lynn but thanks for mentioning it....

I'm not sure we need precedent or entitlement? Any term one wants is suitable; vampire, pervert, psycho......

The point is to put a name on someone who attacks poor prostitutes or even just poor women, targets the genitals and disembowels while removing internal organs.

These seems more than just the desire to eliminate someone..............


Greg

[lynn cates]

murderer

Hello Greg. In which case I am perfectly content with murderer--a person, or persons, unknown.

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Uknown perp...

Hello Greg. In which case I am perfectly content with murderer--a person, or persons, unknown.

Yes Lynn, on this we definitely agree. Not that I disagree with your other theses. Quite frankly, I don't know what to think.


I'm like the bartender in The Crying Game who's stock answer was ...."I have no opinion on the matter". Now that's something we don't hear much on the forums.


Greg

[Hunter]

Maybe the killer read Krafft-Ebing's book. That would be considered a precedent I think. It preceded the Whitechapel murders; although I'm not sure such a killer would need external inspiration or precedent to follow.

[caz]

Flagrant Aping or Obsessive Repeating?

Hi Lynn,

For your 'flagrant aping' of Chapman, by a novice bandwagon-jumping, organ-harvesting mutilator, I give you my 'going one better' with Eddowes, by a chap who was already up to his own eyelids in female blood and guts.

And I suspect you'd have agreed with me if your suspect for C1 and C2 had been out and about on that last night in September.

Love,

Caz
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[lynn cates]

screaming

Hello Greg. Thanks.

And in that same spirit let me compromise a bit. Let's say "lust murder" is being screamed--3 times even--but not very loudly. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

novice

Hello Caroline. Well, if my chap were out and about then, I daresay there would be no mystery and the case would be solved.

I would hesitate to refer to Kate's slayer as a "novice bandwagon-jumping, organ-harvesting mutilator."

This, because:

1. Although perhaps not having killed before, he surely was experienced in evil.

2. Bandwagon-jumping? A crude imitation possibly may not constitute that.

3. Organ-harvesting mutilator? See 2.

At any rate, I have a good bit of work to do to prise Kate loose from the canon.

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

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At any rate, I have a good bit of work to do to prise Kate loose from the canon.

Cheers.
LC

dont you mean Russell Grant

no, most of you lot are enjoying yourselves and that's fine, but you're not being very realistic, these 5 murders are all the same guy and they're just getting more hideous that's all.

his ego is growing too, so i expect somewhere that he couldn't resist tormenting the police, plus telling only a few, that he was JTR.

if he went to the police 2 days too late, then this is enough time to hide his evidence and to get his story right and i expect he sussed out what to say over the previous day...... all day long.

his statement therefore may contain a cryptic clue, but i'm buggared if i can spot it, the thing that strikes me most odd is the RED HANDKERCHIEF.

his statement is so odd, he'd adding stuff that's not only way OTT, it is also stuff that you wouldn't say if you were trying to tell a really good lie... only if you were telling a clever lie, his statement is blindingly bad, yet this still fooled everyone....

this must be due partly to his personality/ the way he looked etc, i.e you'd have to meet the bloke to realise that he'd say something like this, because he seems like a Nerd/ geek, but also cold hearted and calculating too, because from him you sense no guilt or sorrow etc, just a very accurate description.

this could be the biggest wind up in history, this exact description could be him telling the police, ``i'm going to describe a tabloid Antisemetic Jew, that everyone with any brains knows is rubbish, but you'll be too stupid to realise``

he could be seriously tormenting Abberline, but this went way over his head and there is no way that GH could drop any more hints than this, otherwise the game is spoilt.

``the JEWS are those that will be blamed for everything.... and i'm going to blame the Jews yet again when i commit my next murder, but you are too stupid to realise that the JEWS are to be blamed for NOTHING ``

whatever the case, his statement is odd probably because he'll telling you something that he's buried too well and this has made his words seem cryptic and very unrealistic, from what is a Joe Average unemployed Londoner.

[Malcolm X]

i was inside that room the other day in his head, as JTR, and the one thing i kept thinking was....... why am i stripping her flesh off her thighs, this is almost RETARDED.

but Ivor Edwards used to say `` i've read about similar mutilations in Africa/ the Carribean etc, it's nearly always occult related/ voodoo or pagan``...so the removal of her heart/ fire is quite significent, i would not dismiss this so lightly.

[lynn cates]

egos are us

Hello Malcolm.

"but you're not being very realistic, these 5 murders are all the same guy . . ."

Possibly. Of course, as in all theories (including mine) evidence would help.

" . . . and they're just getting more hideous that's all."

Except for those times in which they became less hideous--as with Stride.

"His ego is growing too."

Indeed? Then it's the toff with the topper, cape and Gladstone bag for certain.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

obliteration

Hello (again) Malcolm. I say, have you ever considered the notion of obliteration?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Hello (again) Malcolm. I say, have you ever considered the notion of obliteration?

Cheers.
LC

yes that's what it looks like, he's removing all traces of a woman, or he's killing the ``Harlot``, the one that rides on the BEAST.

ONE JUST CANT TELL I'M AFRAID, because it'll be something really crazy like this, but he is definitely after a heart as either a trophy, or an occult sacrafice, i therefore think that he picked an indoor murder only, so that this would give him the additional time required

MJK was unlikely to invite a suspicious looking LA DE DA back to her room, or if so, was cruelly caught out due to the booze, but inviting in someone in like GH is far more likely

[lynn cates]

reaction

Hello Malcolm. Well, any other reason one might wish to remove all traces of a woman? What if he felt she played him false?

Do you remember how mild mannered Michael Davitt reacted when he discovered that some of his former associates were actually spies in British pay? He was in shock and disbelief.

What would the reaction be like if it were not a mild mannered person like Davitt? Suppose it were a hothead like the late Joe Brady?

Cheers.
LC